Intros New here, but old in the scene.

[Lozbunnz]

Hey guys,

Just thought id duck in and say Hi, great website. Been on the medical scripts for oil for a few years but recently started using flower again so now with Mamedica® and had my monthly usage upped to 120grams if I need, so lots of choice available.

Will do some postings on my thoughts on what I’ve tried so far from the medical dispensary’s, most have been positive to actually very good. Some, not so.

I know my strains well, I’ve had quite a bit of my work published in various books so I feel quite uniquely qualified to talk about a lot of these. Spent a good few years in early 2000s working in and out of Amsterdam in the scene for various breeders.

Hello mate! Wow, it sounds like you've had some incredible expreineces. I'd absolutely love to get work in the cannabis industry, but you need to know someone and I've been out the loop from the beginning of Covid. Hope you're well pal, and I'll be reading your reviews and taking note. Cheers.

 

[MigraineMan]

@delta9 I've been looking into the cannatrol units which seem to cut time without compromising on quality. That said at around £2k plus duty imported into the UK for the domestic sized unit a lot of people are modding wine coolers, with fans and temp/humidity controllers.

I still think the cannatrol offers more as from my understanding it has logic to conrol the dewpoint so will adjust on the fly to external environment factors etc. Wouldn't surprise me if somebody works out or already knows that logic and creates a simple script on a raspberry pi board that you can integrate into the cooler setup. Should see prices drop then.

Also very interested to hear about cryocure and other rapid cure processes, I know a few have been tried with freeze drying, dry ice etc but not heard of any major breakthroughs. I think a breakthrough in the drying/curing process would be a game changer too as it is something that allows products to get to arket quicker and therefore a quicker return on investment in theory.

I'm not 100% sure that there will be a one size fits all for this, as some strains benefit from a real long cure and others start to lose their peak after not so long in the jar.

Fun times ahead now some actual science can be applied

 

[MigraineMan]

Hello mate! Wow, it sounds like you've had some incredible expreineces. I'd absolutely love to get work in the cannabis industry, but you need to know someone and I've been out the loop from the beginning of Covid. Hope you're well pal, and I'll be reading your reviews and taking note. Cheers.

I've just been made redundant from one of the big 4 (I never actually joined they bought my previous employers) and am close enough to retirement that I could happily forget the rat race for the next 15 years+ (all being well!!!!!) and work for a cause rather than shareholders

Just not frickin trimming and manicuring flowers please!

 

[GrownHealth]

Just not frickin trimming and manicuring flowers please!

It's good for about 10 mins then the frustration sets in with me .

 

[MigraineMan]

@Nick March Would you be looking to do concentrates/cartridges and how do you feel about both from an end user viewpoint and an industry viewpoint (to me it seems quite heavily weighted on the positives for the industry side, whilst it won't rescue from botrytis it will salvage something good from a grow with other issues, using fresh froen and ice/water extraction cuts out drying time although end product needs curing at some point, obvious downside to me is cost of getting set up for extracts but love to hear a balanced view from your perspective when you get time).

 

[Delta 9]

@delta9 I've been looking into the cannatrol units which seem to cut time without compromising on quality. That said at around £2k plus duty imported into the UK for the domestic sized unit a lot of people are modding wine coolers, with fans and temp/humidity controllers.

I still think the cannatrol offers more as from my understanding it has logic to conrol the dewpoint so will adjust on the fly to external environment factors etc. Wouldn't surprise me if somebody works out or already knows that logic and creates a simple script on a raspberry pi board that you can integrate into the cooler setup. Should see prices drop then.

Also very interested to hear about cryocure and other rapid cure processes, I know a few have been tried with freeze drying, dry ice etc but not heard of any major breakthroughs. I think a breakthrough in the drying/curing process would be a game changer too as it is something that allows products to get to arket quicker and therefore a quicker return on investment in theory.

I'm not 100% sure that there will be a one size fits all for this, as some strains benefit from a real long cure and others start to lose their peak after not so long in the jar.

Fun times ahead now some actual science can be applied

Most do use wine cooler but there will be stuff out there to mod the cooler so you dont have to pay 2 fkn g for a fridge lol.

Quality 2nd hand coolers for £40-£100 so say £200 modding it.

I know the cryocure works perfect for the hash and i see it marketed in usa as a very good thing for the customer as it retains the fresh terpenes but most people i know dont like it over traditional cure.

This is how they market it from cryocure.com Globally-patented cannabis tech that shortens dry time to 11-14 hours.

We know its to get 1 more crop per year in and not to give patient the best profile over traditional cure lol saving you at least 2 weeks drying per crop x 4 so 5 crops a year.

I am open to hear how much amzing the bud is over traditional.

Traditional cure gives rise to elite profiles that can still stay stinky after sitting at room temp some as i would expect with cryocure when oxidised at room temp smells of not much like nitrogeon sealed once they are open to elements the profiles gone but certain elite strains might hold a profile after room temp but how many times better than traditional cure is it that would make you want to move to cryocure.

There will be companies whos marketing will be traditional hang dried and cured cannabis also hand trimmed those 3 things will just be as powerful tool to make profit than cryocure but i am open to see if its for patients with a preserved fresh profile that blows traditional away.

 

[Lozbunnz]

I've just been made redundant from one of the big 4 (I never actually joined they bought my previous employers) and am close enough to retirement that I could happily forget the rat race for the next 15 years+ (all being well!!!!!) and work for a cause rather than shareholders

Just not frickin trimming and manicuring flowers please!

If anyone is hiring!!!

Sorry to hear you were made redundant mate, but i'm glad to hear you can have a proper, well-earnt rest!! I think I'd even jump at the opportunity to trim, I'm sat here with my scissors all ready

 

[MigraineMan]

Most do use wine cooler but there will be stuff out there to mod the cooler so you dont have to pay 2 fkn g for a fridge lol.

Quality 2nd hand coolers for £40-£100 so say £200 modding it.

I know the cryocure works perfect for the hash and i see it marketed in usa as a very good thing for the customer as it retains the fresh terpenes but most people i know dont like it over traditional cure.

This is how they market it from cryocure.com Globally-patented cannabis tech that shortens dry time to 11-14 hours.

We know its to get 1 more crop per year in and not to give patient the best profile over traditional cure lol saving you at least 2 weeks drying per crop x 4 so 5 crops a year.

I am open to hear how much amzing the bud is over traditional.

Traditional cure gives rise to elite profiles that can still stay stinky after sitting at room temp some as i would expect with cryocure when oxidised at room temp smells of not much like nitrogeon sealed once they are open to elements the profiles gone but certain elite strains might hold a profile after room temp but how many times better than traditional cure is it that would make you want to move to cryocure.

There will be companies whos marketing will be traditional hang dried and cured cannabis also hand trimmed those 3 things will just be as powerful tool to make profit than cryocure but i am open to see if its for patients with a preserved fresh profile that blows traditional away.

I'd be interested to see if the trapped freshness of cryocure could be slowly converted via slow cure if the customer so cared?

Let's be honest we have to jar and try to re-hydrate most MC ATM, if it incentivises the grower in the form of an extra crop that's a win-win, hopefully that can convert into more time to focus on the grow and a smaller footprint being dedicated to dry and cure, allowing more space for, well whatever adds most value to the grower

 

[Delta 9]

I'd be interested to see if the trapped freshness of cryocure could be slowly converted via slow cure if the customer so cared?

Let's be honest we have to jar and try to re-hydrate most MC ATM, if it incentivises the grower in the form of an extra crop that's a win-win, hopefully that can convert into more time to focus on the grow and a smaller footprint being dedicated to dry and cure, allowing more space for, well whatever adds most value to the grower

Well it looks like glass farms freeze drying is worse than cryo curing if cryo curing is that bad.
So i am going more on the polystyrene bud by glass farms from freeze drying , will put a link from cryocure.com about freeze vs cryo.
Those freeze dried skittle sweets are terrible compared traditional skittles lol big difference as 1 is very brittle like the polystyrene bud.

Incetivises the company to have an extra crop per year means its not about patient or customer its a win win for the the company as its thousands of pounds extra profit and will far exceed the footprint from traditional curing.

Focusing on the cure is the point i am really getting at as alot of companies can grow decent weed but just absolut f it up during drying curing and transporting and irradiation. Bagged straight away n sat for months n months.

https://cryocure.com/machines/freeze-dryer-vs-cryo-cure/

 

[MigraineMan]

Yep the freeze drying and dried ice freezing of flower have all had negative reports, not sure if that passes on in extracts made from said flower, I'd hope not and that it more relates to the chlorophyll and other stuff that is still in the flower when freeze-dried?

 

[MigraineMan]

Well it looks like glass farms freeze drying is worse than cryo curing if cryo curing is that bad.
So i am going more on the polystyrene bud by glass farms from freeze drying , will put a link from cryocure.com about freeze vs cryo.
Those freeze dried skittle sweets are terrible compared traditional skittles lol big difference as 1 is very brittle like the polystyrene bud.

Incetivises the company to have an extra crop per year means its not about patient or customer its a win win for the the company as its thousands of pounds extra profit and will far exceed the footprint from traditional curing.

Focusing on the cure is the point i am really getting at as alot of companies can grow decent weed but just absolut f it up during drying curing and transporting and irradiation. Bagged straight away n sat for months n months.

https://cryocure.com/machines/freeze-dryer-vs-cryo-cure/

On the subject of cryogenics, they are using this now to store tissue samples long term to keep strain libraries now from what I have read recently, interesting times!

 

[Delta 9]

On the subject of cryogenics, they are using this now to store tissue samples long term to keep strain libraries now from what I have read recently, interesting times!

Yip alot of peeps in the legacy industry have been doing this there is def a use for it with hash and seeds but flower just leave it alone.

 

[Nick March]

Hey guys, sorry was away for the weekend getting a facility running as it should be, all good now.

Ok, cryo curing etc. to be honest, it’s not something I’ve looked into a lot, mainly because the science of drying and curing imo, is such that you are doing it slowly to utilise enzymatic activity in the drying flower to help drive out chlorophyll, sugars and to bind the water content. This is why I use dedicated drying rooms etc in my facilities . I like to dry at 55/55 or sometime a bit cooler and lower rh, but you need very well built rooms and spec’d equipment to manage these latent loads at low temp, which is why most opt for 60/60 drying, it’s pretty much near perfect and achievable to most dedicated dry rooms. This is why I do whole plant hangs, aim for 10-14 days before I trim and then it goes into cure puck sealed containers to cure, in the same environment. Normally takes about another 10 days and the bud that comes out is perfect… like marshmallow. You can squeeze it and it’s bounces back, no crumble, you can leave out in dry environment and it won’t get over dry same you can leave in high humidity and it won’t such up moisture, because over the space of the time in the cure puck sealed containers, it’s bound the moisture to the plant cells,

So there is my issue with cryocuring. I do know that some companies are using Harvest rights and other non appropriate devices and of course ruining buds. I need to talk to me mate at glass again and see what he’s saying about it.

In terms of extractions etc, I have just spent the last 10 years building and running closed loops for various growers and extractors around uk and Europe. You may well have dabbed some of my products. But I’m a firm believer in bho. I don’t personally believe rosin at the price it is, is appropriate for the uk medical market, but it also not likely to get a license for use as yet in any other form than a rosin cart. I honestly don’t think we’ll see dabbable cannabis products on the medical market in uk.

In terms of any company I set up and work for, a big portion of work will be towards pushing for right to grow. This is no way would affect legal medical market in terms of sales from big legal ops. Plenty of people want to use cannabis, but have no interest in growing it, or haven’t the space or ability.

 

[Dooby Doo]

Hey guys, sorry was away for the weekend getting a facility running as it should be, all good now.

Ok, cryo curing etc. to be honest, it’s not something I’ve looked into a lot, mainly because the science of drying and curing imo, is such that you are doing it slowly to utilise enzymatic activity in the drying flower to help drive out chlorophyll, sugars and to bind the water content. This is why I use dedicated drying rooms etc in my facilities . I like to dry at 55/55 or sometime a bit cooler and lower rh, but you need very well built rooms and spec’d equipment to manage these latent loads at low temp, which is why most opt for 60/60 drying, it’s pretty much near perfect and achievable to most dedicated dry rooms. This is why I do whole plant hangs, aim for 10-14 days before I trim and then it goes into cure puck sealed containers to cure, in the same environment. Normally takes about another 10 days and the bud that comes out is perfect… like marshmallow. You can squeeze it and it’s bounces back, no crumble, you can leave out in dry environment and it won’t get over dry same you can leave in high humidity and it won’t such up moisture, because over the space of the time in the cure puck sealed containers, it’s bound the moisture to the plant cells,

So there is my issue with cryocuring. I do know that some companies are using Harvest rights and other non appropriate devices and of course ruining buds. I need to talk to me mate at glass again and see what he’s saying about it.

In terms of extractions etc, I have just spent the last 10 years building and running closed loops for various growers and extractors around uk and Europe. You may well have dabbed some of my products. But I’m a firm believer in bho. I don’t personally believe rosin at the price it is, is appropriate for the uk medical market, but it also not likely to get a license for use as yet in any other form than a rosin cart. I honestly don’t think we’ll see dabbable cannabis products on the medical market in uk.

In terms of any company I set up and work for, a big portion of work will be towards pushing for right to grow. This is no way would affect legal medical market in terms of sales from big legal ops. Plenty of people want to use cannabis, but have no interest in growing it, or haven’t the space or ability.

I don't think there's a market for Legal MC Rosin only Carts as you have said. We can press our own flower or most of us can and have invested in our own equipment to do this ourselves as its Cheaper. I don't use much rosin but it is nice to have when I feel the need. I too when growing for myself done at least a 10 day hang, more 14 days before trimming and went for the 60/60 cure, I found this to be better bud, loads of Trichomes before it was ready for the kilners for another 4 weeks burping.

 

[Nick March]

Well there may or may not be a market for legal MC rosin carts, but if you want something that is rosin based and legal, that is currently the only route you can go.

Yes of course you can press your own, but this would of course be illegal in the same way that smoking your prescription is also illegal.

And if you enjoy dry flower rosin, that’s great, but there wouldn’t be much of a market I don’t believe for dry flower rosin.

 

[Dooby Doo]

Well there may or may not be a market for legal MC rosin carts, but if you want something that is rosin based and legal, that is currently the only route you can go.

Yes of course you can press your own, but this would of course be illegal in the same way that smoking your prescription is also illegal.

And if you enjoy dry flower rosin, that’s great, but there wouldn’t be much of a market I don’t believe for dry flower rosin.

Yes, there is a Market for rosin carts for vaping . I like to dab a bit of rosin on top of my flower through my vapouriser, usually late evening if my flower isn't cutting it as I don't like taking opiates, especially late evenings . Wether it's legal or not to do this, "I don't care" I'm more important than stupid legalities.

 

[Nick March]

Yes, there is a Market for rosin carts for vaping . I like to dab a bit of rosin on top of my flower through my vapouriser, usually late evening if my flower isn't cutting it as I don't like taking opiates, especially late evenings . Wether it's legal or not to do this, "I don't care" I'm more important than stupid legalities.

Indeed, but majority of users do not want to break the law. Hence why they are on medical in the first place… this is why the biggest selling product in states, cannabis wise is now pre-rolled. Because majority of users just want to use their medical cannabis, they don’t want to have to grind it, they don’t have to do any such preparation with most normal medications. Same with further processing or refining flower down to a concentrate. Most people don’t know how to, most connoisseurs that do wouldn’t touch dry flower rosin, as I wouldn’t, it’s just nasty imo&e.

But I’m all for the individual doing what works for them. As said, I’m just a cannabis user like you, who wants to see the uk medical be a lot better and what us patients deserve. And what I know can be delivered. And in a lucky enough position to be able to get my hopes and dreams running, ideally for the betterment of everyone else.

 

[Dooby Doo]

Indeed, but majority of users do not want to break the law. Hence why they are on medical in the first place… this is why the biggest selling product in states, cannabis wise is now pre-rolled. Because majority of users just want to use their medical cannabis, they don’t want to have to grind it, they don’t have to do any such preparation with most normal medications. Same with further processing or refining flower down to a concentrate. Most people don’t know how to, most connoisseurs that do wouldn’t touch dry flower rosin, as I wouldn’t, it’s just nasty imo&e.

But I’m all for the individual doing what works for them. As said, I’m just a cannabis user like you, who wants to see the uk medical be a lot better and what us patients deserve. And what I know can be delivered. And in a lucky enough position to be able to get my hopes and dreams running, ideally for the betterment of everyone else.

There needs to be better quality Medical Cannabis for sure, most medical I've had isn't anywhere as good as your own grown cannabis. If I had the space I would've carried on probably. I have hopes that this will change having better quality MC. I don't have enough MC flower to press the ice/water method to make decent hash so I make do with the method I use at the moment, it is like an emergency thing with me, I only use rosin when my flower isn't working for me late of an evening. When I was growing my own, I didn't use as much cannabis as I do now, that says it all about MC. Hopefully you'll pull your finger out and do something about it mate

 

[Nick March]

There needs to be better quality Medical Cannabis for sure, most medical I've had isn't anywhere as good as your own grown cannabis. If I had the space I would've carried on probably. I have hopes that this will change having better quality MC. I don't have enough MC flower to press the ice/water method to make decent hash so I make do with the method I use at the moment, it is like an emergency thing with me, I only use rosin when my flower isn't working for me late of an evening. When I was growing my own, I didn't use as much cannabis as I do now, that says it all about MC. Hopefully you'll pull your finger out and do something about it mate

Don’t worry my finger has been well and truly pulled out for some time.. it’s happening man. don’t worry.

 

[Moon]

Well there may or may not be a market for legal MC rosin carts, but if you want something that is rosin based and legal, that is currently the only route you can go.

Yes of course you can press your own, but this would of course be illegal in the same way that smoking your prescription is also illegal.

And if you enjoy dry flower rosin, that’s great, but there wouldn’t be much of a market I don’t believe for dry flower rosin.

I think there was a case reported on here where the presser won in court, if so it's fine to press our MC bud.