Email from unhappy landlord...

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I agree that's how things should be in a world of fair and decent people but my cynical side is out in full force today lol.

Both right hopefully. But if its possible at all @JDVaper always try to reach out to the landlord directly if you feel upto it and its even possible.

 

[JDVaper]

Prescribed vapour....!?!?

 

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Last response from landlord.....


I understand and appreciate that you are explaining the situation. As I am sure you can appreciate and I am in no way accusing you of doing this when I say this: if everyone who got reported for smoking cannabis said it was for medicinal purposes then everyone would get away with it and that is just not the case. We just need to get the issue sorted for you, your landlord and the neighbours. It is currently effecting all parties and we need to get this sorted out so that all parties can move forward.

I wish this was brough to my attention by you the last time we spoke rather than us receiving more complaints about the strong smell. If the medicine is prescribed then we can go back and explain this on your behalf. If it is prescribed medicine you will still be required to be mindful of the public during use. Cannabis is a class B drug and should not be, grown, in possession or consumed unless prescribed under strict policy in the UK. Vapour and oil can be prescribed. However, Smoking of any kind is not allowed in a rental property and is a breech of tenancy.

If you do not want to show us the prescription like you offered then you do not have to do so but this would help your case and would stop further involvement or action being taken from third parties. If not, I can not guarantee action wont be taken moving forward as it will be out of my hands. You are not legally obligated to show me your prescription but you can be asked if this is effecting your tenancy and in this case it is. It is up to you, I am here to help solve this situation before it goes further.

Rather than visiting the property myself, I will offer a private meeting in the the office and to ensure this is private it can be on a Saturday when there is only myself in the office along with one sales lady (M). I will be in on Saturday 5th July 9am -1pm for us to have a chat in private as M will not be present either but just in the building. Can you come back to me if this works.

thank you,

Take advice from Canncare if + before you decide to meet them.

 

[joint_account]

Last response from landlord.....


I understand and appreciate that you are explaining the situation. As I am sure you can appreciate and I am in no way accusing you of doing this when I say this: if everyone who got reported for smoking cannabis said it was for medicinal purposes then everyone would get away with it and that is just not the case. We just need to get the issue sorted for you, your landlord and the neighbours. It is currently effecting all parties and we need to get this sorted out so that all parties can move forward.

I wish this was brough to my attention by you the last time we spoke rather than us receiving more complaints about the strong smell. If the medicine is prescribed then we can go back and explain this on your behalf. If it is prescribed medicine you will still be required to be mindful of the public during use. Cannabis is a class B drug and should not be, grown, in possession or consumed unless prescribed under strict policy in the UK. Vapour and oil can be prescribed. However, Smoking of any kind is not allowed in a rental property and is a breech of tenancy.

If you do not want to show us the prescription like you offered then you do not have to do so but this would help your case and would stop further involvement or action being taken from third parties. If not, I can not guarantee action wont be taken moving forward as it will be out of my hands. You are not legally obligated to show me your prescription but you can be asked if this is effecting your tenancy and in this case it is. It is up to you, I am here to help solve this situation before it goes further.

Rather than visiting the property myself, I will offer a private meeting in the the office and to ensure this is private it can be on a Saturday when there is only myself in the office along with one sales lady (M). I will be in on Saturday 5th July 9am -1pm for us to have a chat in private as M will not be present either but just in the building. Can you come back to me if this works.

thank you,

I'm gonna 180 now lol.

For sheer peace of mind over it all, I would maybe just work with them on it, show them what they want to see (without making copies of it) and hopefully that will be the end of it.

If you feel you shouldn't need to do this and fight it, whilst I fully support it, I can just see it being aggro for you if nothing else.

It's not fair or anything of the sort but I'm simply thinking about the path of least resistance for you to be in peace.

 

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I'm gonna 180 now lol.

For sheer peace of mind over it all, I would maybe just work with them on it, show them what they want to see (without making copies of it) and hopefully that will be the end of it.

If you feel you shouldn't need to do this and fight it, whilst I fully support it, I can just see it being aggro for you if nothing else.

It's not fair or anything of the sort but I'm simply thinking about the path of least resistance for you to be in peace.

Thats it together with Canncare.
I regularly have to assess how much one battle of the cause is worth fighting for vs what I can personally manage.

 

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Thats it together with Canncare.
I regularly have to assess how much one battle of the cause is worth fighting for vs what I can personally manage.

Yes! Make sure Cann care are involved at all stages.

The phrase pick your battles has only got more true as I age .

 

[JDVaper]

@GrownHealth, thanks - I have emailed Canncare..

 

[GrownHealth]

@GrownHealth, thanks - I have emailed Canncare..

You've done a excellent job yourself to be honest although it is definitely wise to have them by your side so they can hopefully help resolve things with the least commotion and your rights respected going forward

 

[JDVaper]

You've done a excellent job yourself to be honest although it is definitely wise to have them by your side so they can hopefully help resolve things with the least commotion and your rights respected going forward

What every OUNCE of me wants to say is: "You show me yours and I'll show you mine"!

'You show me the list of people who've complained and I'll show you my prescription', but of course one wouldn't lower ones self to these extreme lows !!!

 

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What every OUNCE of me wants to say is: "You show me yours and I'll show you mine"!

'You show me the list of people who've complained and I'll show you my prescription', but of course one wouldn't lower ones self to these extreme lows !!!

and your doing this in good humour - thats real spirit

 

[R3d4]

If your landlord tries to issue a section 8 notice a judge would throw it out when you provided evidence of a prescription.

Section 21 notices usually require no reason but with the evidence you have the judge would have a dim view but his hands would be tied. Section 21's are supposed to be ending in 2025 but as far as im aware they are still valid.

In your position I would assume that the people who have reported you to the letting agents will also have reported you to the police, I would pop down to your local police station with a prescription explain the situation and avoid them thinking they have an excuse to use a red key.

 

[JDVaper]

Happy weekend Y'all....

So I've not long been home from being the bigger person and visiting my landlord's office as I decided I would volunteer my proof of medication in order to get the monkey off my back !
Just received an email a few minutes ago....

( I had more to say as I feel I've been wholly discriminated against by neighbours, but I told the office I would refrain and left it at that)

Hi JD,

Thank you for coming in to see me. I appreciate the clarification and I can now put this matter to rest with the neighbours. No further contact regarding this will be needed as I am confident that the cannabis is medically prescribed for reasons that we do not need to know. If police are involved then we can assist with this too.

After you left you said you have more to say and as I offered at the time - if you need a chat then I am more than happy to do so.

I can appreciate that you may be upset on this matter but I can also appreciate the neighbours being upset with this matter too and sadly issues arise with neighbours from time to time. As venture manage the property we have to act on this. The smell is stopping the neighbours from being able to sit outside and its hard for them. However, now that we know why I hope this matter is over and they can understand reasoning.

Let me know if you want to pop in.

thank you

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Happy weekend Y'all....

So I've not long been home from being the bigger person and visiting my landlord's office as I decided I would volunteer my proof of medication in order to get the monkey off my back !
Just received an email a few minutes ago....

( I had more to say as I feel I've been wholly discriminated against by neighbours, but I told the office I would refrain and left it at that)

Hi JD,

Thank you for coming in to see me. I appreciate the clarification and I can now put this matter to rest with the neighbours. No further contact regarding this will be needed as I am confident that the cannabis is medically prescribed for reasons that we do not need to know. If police are involved then we can assist with this too.

After you left you said you have more to say and as I offered at the time - if you need a chat then I am more than happy to do so.

I can appreciate that you may be upset on this matter but I can also appreciate the neighbours being upset with this matter too and sadly issues arise with neighbours from time to time. As venture manage the property we have to act on this. The smell is stopping the neighbours from being able to sit outside and its hard for them. However, now that we know why I hope this matter is over and they can understand reasoning.

Let me know if you want to pop in.

thank you

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Looks like they were adults about the situation so hopefully that should be the end of it for you.

If you continue to get shit from your neighbours it might be wise to log it and to then report them for harassment.

 

[Lank72]

The smell is stopping them being able to sit outside

Unless you are an absolute monster, puffing 10g at a time, constant steam train stream of vapour through 10 machines pointed at them like some wild church organ of ganja fumes this doesn't really equate to what it's actually like vaping MC

And even if you were, it's hardly rotten eggs is it

Stigma, pure and simple

They've treated you badly, they know it now, and are trying to ham up their argument to make it seem a fair outcome

If you are just happy it's settled then fair enough, and I'm glad it's over for you, but I wouldn't be happy with this

Certainly any further shit now from anyone involved is clearcut harassment since you have clarified to all involved you are legal, but these property people did not handle this well at all, sorry you've been dragged through all this, hope you can at least breath a bit easier now

 

[JDVaper]

The smell is stopping them being able to sit outside

Unless you are an absolute monster, puffing 10g at a time, constant steam train stream of vapour through 10 machines pointed at them like some wild organ of ganja fumes this doesn't really equate to what it's actually like vaping MC

And even if you were, it's hardly rotten eggs is it

Stigma, pure and simple

They've treated you badly, they know it now, and are trying to ham up their argument to make it seem a fair outcome

If you are just happy it's settled them fair enough, and I'm glad it's over for you, but I wouldn't be happy with this

Certainly any further shit now from anyone involed is clearcut harassment since you have clarified to all involved you are legal, but these property people did not handle this well at all, sorry you've been dragged through all this, hope you can at least breath a bit easier now

I'm in the process of compiling an email back but unsure if I should send it.. Going on to say....

In a nutshell;
you won't have been told how I was verbally assaulted on my doorstep. You won't have been told how 'neighbours' enjoyed plates full of the bbq food I handed out when I moved in or the odd little jobs I did for them to be a good neighbour !

I am not some rebellious teen or drug addled maniac which is how I've been made to feel.

If, as I asked on three occasions that someone visited me at my home address, someone could have seen the adjustments I made to appease my surrounding community. By the way, any idea what it feels like to be completely ostracised and discriminated against for something no fault of your own ?
Not only that, but someone would have been able to witness the storage and administration on my medication and what lengths I've gone to in an attempt to be as courteous as possible. You will also have been able to witness that due to the fact that my medication is NOT smoked that the only thing that "anyone" can smell, is my medication in its natural state.

I would finish by adding, it would perhaps be an idea to remind anyone still concerned that the smell alone is not harmful.


But unsure if i should just draw a line in the sand.....

 

[joint_account]

What are you hoping to gain by sending this that hasn't already been achieved?

From the sounds of it they're happy with your usage of it and are aware you have protected rights.

If you wanted to be petit to the neighbours and offer a big ol' fuck you then I would remove any measure you've taken to reduce the smell and use your medication as you see fit to use it.

To me it sounds like you're annoyed at the face that you've been discriminated against and even more so the safeguarding efforts you've gone to off your own back. - so I would simply remove those efforts and let them live in the unfathomable smell they've already claimed to.

 

[JDVaper]

Thanks mate and absolute irony that as I'm writing back to you, my door was knocked on by Amazon and I've just taken delivery of a new glass piece ....
Lets make smoke !!!!!!!

 

[BudGuy]

I'm in the process of compiling an email back but unsure if I should send it.. Going on to say....

In a nutshell;
you won't have been told how I was verbally assaulted on my doorstep. You won't have been told how 'neighbours' enjoyed plates full of the bbq food I handed out when I moved in or the odd little jobs I did for them to be a good neighbour !

I am not some rebellious teen or drug addled maniac which is how I've been made to feel.

If, as I asked on three occasions that someone visited me at my home address, someone could have seen the adjustments I made to appease my surrounding community. By the way, any idea what it feels like to be completely ostracised and discriminated against for something no fault of your own ?
Not only that, but someone would have been able to witness the storage and administration on my medication and what lengths I've gone to in an attempt to be as courteous as possible. You will also have been able to witness that due to the fact that my medication is NOT smoked that the only thing that "anyone" can smell, is my medication in its natural state.

I would finish by adding, it would perhaps be an idea to remind anyone still concerned that the smell alone is not harmful.


But unsure if i should just draw a line in the sand.....

Wouldn't bother, personally. Unless you have evidence for any of that stuff, there's no action they can/will take that will be of any benefit to you, plus it's technically more of a civil matter between you and your neighbours if their behaviour crosses over into discrimination than a matter for the landlord.

If the landlord has said they're happy for you to continue using your medication legally within their premises, then your business with them is concluded. They'll already have you down as a difficult tenant who knows their rights and will fight for them, so you're probably likely to get less of the usual legally dubious landlord behaviour that many are subject to going forward, so that's a silent win. I don't think there's any need to inform them again in writing what they already know about you as a tenant at this point. If they don't get it, then they'll get it when they next discriminate against you and it leads this time to legal action and expensive payouts. Sending them a pissy e-mail will just put you in their bad books - they'll find a reason to get rid of you if they can, and you're helping them dodge their own mistakes which could benefit your financially if they made them. So you've already won that battle imo.

Ideally they would contact any other tenants of theirs and let them know the situation, but there's no onus for them to even do that, so I would simply assume that your neighbours will continue not to be properly informed, but it's neither your job nor your landlord's job to inform them. If their continued ignorance leads to them discriminating against you again, collect evidence of it, and then you have the option of a direct civil/criminal action against your neighbour depending on the severity of the discrimination.

 

[joint_account]

What are you hoping to gain by sending this that hasn't already been achieved?

From the sounds of it they're happy with your usage of it and are aware you have protected rights.

If you wanted to be petit to the neighbours and offer a big ol' fuck you then I would remove any measure you've taken to reduce the smell and use your medication as you see fit to use it.

To me it sounds like you're annoyed at the face that you've been discriminated against and even more so the safeguarding efforts you've gone to off your own back. - so I would simply remove those efforts and let them live in the unfathomable smell they've already claimed to.

To add to this slightly, I had a micro-experience like this recently. The Mrs and I went away camping during the heatwave. I had an older lady pitched behind who said the smell was invading her caravan and she couldn't stand it. I simply reminded her that my right to use my medication trumps any made up rights she thinks she has about smells.

I told her she was welcome to close her window, pitch up elsewhere or move to the other end of her pitch but at no point will I be going anywhere to take my medication as and when required. I had and used a Von Sploof (highly recommended FWIW, much better than a smoke buddy) anyway but her expectation was for me to move away to take a medication which is absurd.

She was fine with it being a medication, she even said something about her taking millions of pills, so I once again said how would you feel if I said you have to go to the back of the camp site to take your medication?

Point being, You've been respectful and taken measures way beyond you're required to and shown you've taken these steps in the interest of other people only (a bit like me with the Von Sploof). But at times you've got to be firm and say "Hey, you're crossing the line now, back off".

I don't live there so I don't have the long term consequences of it all but I honestly think the agents have handled this rather well (outside of refusing to meeting you at your home), they've seen its legitimate and from the sounds it now back your right to use it - that's a win we all want.

So, like I said above in the other comment, I think the issue is with the neighbours and whether or not you're pissed off enough to be petit about it all. Ultimately you're protected by the housing management now, so there is nothing anyone could do if you removed these extra measures and used it with a similar level of sensitivity to what has been shown towards you.

 

[JDVaper]

Wouldn't bother, personally. Unless you have evidence for any of that stuff, there's no action they can/will take that will be of any benefit to you, plus it's technically more of a civil matter between you and your neighbours if their behaviour crosses over into discrimination than a matter for the landlord.

If the landlord has said they're happy for you to continue using your medication legally within their premises, then your business with them is concluded. They'll already have you down as a difficult tenant who knows their rights and will fight for them, so you're probably likely to get less of the usual legally dubious landlord behaviour that many are subject to going forward, so that's a silent win. I don't think there's any need to inform them again in writing what they already know about you as a tenant at this point. If they don't get it, then they'll get it when they next discriminate against you and it leads this time to legal action and expensive payouts. Sending them a pissy e-mail will just put you in their bad books - they'll find a reason to get rid of you if they can, and you're helping them dodge their own mistakes which could benefit your financially if they made them. So you've already won that battle imo.

Ideally they would contact any other tenants of theirs and let them know the situation, but there's no onus for them to even do that, so I would simply assume that your neighbours will continue not to be properly informed, but it's neither your job nor your landlord's job to inform them. If their continued ignorance leads to them discriminating against you again, collect evidence of it, and then you have the option of a direct civil/criminal action against your neighbour depending on the severity of the discrimination.

Thank you x