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An interesting thread from Reddit, we've used ChatGPT to shrink down the text slightly for easier readability below: https://old.reddit.com/r/ukmedicalcannabis/comments/1lcv4id/whos_fuelling_these_nice_workplace_policies_helen/…

Over the past 18 months, a significant shift has occurred in how large UK employers approach cannabis-based medicinal products (CBPMs) in the workplace. Spearheading this movement is Dr Helen Vangikar, a toxicology consultant with deep ties to the Society of Occupational Medicine (SOM). Through her leadership of SOM’s Drugs and Alcohol Special Interest Group and partnerships with organisations like GTS MedOH and Greys Specialist Recruitment, she has actively promoted a risk-averse narrative about CBPMs. Her presentations, citing concerns over prescription authenticity, impairment, and job safety, have influenced corporate drug and alcohol policy revisions—often without public scrutiny.

Much of this policy push is anchored in narrow interpretations of official guidance, particularly NICE NG144, which restricts CBPMs to four medical conditions. Vangikar has used this and changes to Network Rail's internal guidance—where she appears to have had privileged early access—to frame private CBPM prescriptions as legally and medically ambiguous. Her seminars cast doubt on the legitimacy of many prescriptions, especially those from clinics like Curaleaf and Alternaleaf, implying they may be falsified or lack medical rigor. Despite acknowledging that verification and context matter, she frequently emphasises concerns about the form, dosing, and potential workplace visibility of CBPM use.

A key element of her argument draws from a 2023 update by the American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine (ACOEM), which recommends stringent restrictions on cannabis use in safety-sensitive roles. Though based on U.S. federal illegality, ACOEM’s framework is being cited by UK organisations—including Network Rail—as a defensible standard for policy-making. This importation of American guidelines into the UK context risks oversimplifying the issue, especially given the UK’s distinct legal, clinical, and regulatory landscape for medical cannabis.

Critics argue that Vangikar’s approach conflates stigma with safety, framing CBPMs as indistinguishable from street cannabis and downplaying the clinical legitimacy of private prescriptions. She has discouraged accepting prescriptions not signed by GMC-registered doctors, despite legal equivalence, and casts doubt on dosage accuracy for cannabis flower compared to oils or pastilles. This has led many occupational health teams to draft pre-emptive bans or severe restrictions, often under the guise of due diligence and "education"—while potentially disregarding evidence-based nuance.

The broader impact is a growing trend of UK employers quietly adopting restrictive policies on CBPMs, often with limited clinical engagement or transparency. While Vangikar does occasionally call for case-by-case reviews, the overarching message from her sessions has led to default exclusion, not accommodation. With major entities like Network Rail setting precedent, and others following suit, the debate over CBPMs in the workplace risks being shaped more by fear and liability management than by balanced, evidence-led policy.
 
Ah so it has mate! My apologies!

I think all of us might be in for a rough few years with how this looks :(. What's your take on it?
Just scanned through it and it appears she just wants to cast doubt over CBPM's use and prescibing whilst coming from toxicology or medicine as its been prescribed in the past background is my initial thought just glancing . Trying to maintain the status quo by being alarmist about CBPM's :(
 
Just scanned through it and it appears she just wants to cast doubt over CBPM's use and prescibing whilst coming from toxicology or medicine as its been prescribed in the past background is my initial thought just glancing . Trying to maintain the status quo by being alarmist about CBPM's :(
I haven't looked into her yet...but I'm guessing shes establishment, same as the rest.
 
Just scanned through it and it appears she just wants to cast doubt over CBPM's use and prescibing whilst coming from toxicology or medicine as its been prescribed in the past background is my initial thought just glancing . Trying to maintain the status quo by being alarmist about CBPM's :(
That's how I understand it, with the added caveat of using the Network Rails policy as a standard for UK businesses to follow.

If it isn't challenged I can see everyone else following suit and although I do not currently disclose, this is going to huge one way or another for all of us.
 
I haven't looked into her yet...but I'm guessing shes establishment, same as the rest.
Chat GPT's career assessment of her. On the surface she's certainly got the surface credentials that are going to give her so much credit and trust on this.


"Dr Helen Vangikar is a long-time toxicology consultant with experience dating back to 1988. She helped commission two UKAS-accredited laboratories and played a key role in creating the UK’s first legally-defensible workplace drug testing guidelines, which were later adapted by the European Workplace Drug Testing Society. She now serves as the technical lead for the Society of Occupational Medicine’s Special Interest Group on Drugs and Alcohol, where she advises on policy, trains Medical Review Officers, and actively promotes strict workplace cannabis restrictions across major UK employers."
 
Chat GPT's career assessment of her. On the surface she's certainly got the surface credentials that are going to give her so much credit and trust on this.


"Dr Helen Vangikar is a long-time toxicology consultant with experience dating back to 1988. She helped commission two UKAS-accredited laboratories and played a key role in creating the UK’s first legally-defensible workplace drug testing guidelines, which were later adapted by the European Workplace Drug Testing Society. She now serves as the technical lead for the Society of Occupational Medicine’s Special Interest Group on Drugs and Alcohol, where she advises on policy, trains Medical Review Officers, and actively promotes strict workplace cannabis restrictions across major UK employers."
Thanks. I got much better methods than Chat GPT usually, curious tho does it have anything to say on her ancestry?-Its usually the most obvious clue to establishment.
 
Thanks. I got much better methods than Chat GPT usually, curious tho does it have anything to say on her ancestry?-Its usually the most obvious clue to establishment.

I use the pro version for work, the new o1 model is unbelievable, I spend half the day in a call with it most days.

She's didn't go to any prestigious schools or anything so I'm fairly sure she hasn't got any family establishment links.
 
Pretty sure it will turn out to be illegal as a blanket thing anyway since it's prescribed medication

Evidence of impairment would be required at least hopefully
 
I use the pro version for work, the new o1 model is unbelievable, I spend half the day in a call with it most days.

She's didn't go to any prestigious schools or anything so I'm fairly sure she hasn't got any family establishment links.
Well i'll say this the best way I can, as I find its factual but recognise that it maybe seen as controversial:
Shes almost certainly an elite member of a somewhat elitist faith - so establishment controlled.
 
Is that elitist faith causing a few issues around the world? The Z one not the J one? - I googled but couldn't see anything that linked her religion
I don't talk about that on here, keep it decent. Its only about her and her views on CBPM - at her level she is effectively representing Big Pharma ( Curaleaf et al) interests
 
I don't talk about that on here, keep it decent. Its only about her and her views on CBPM - at her level she is effectively representing Big Pharma ( Curaleaf et al) interests
You bought it up, I asked for clarity because you could be talking about the faith I belong to.

I have no feelings towards any of them, I just wantes to make sure you was not indirectly offending me.
 
You bought it up, I asked for clarity because you could be talking about the faith I belong to.

I have no feelings towards any of them, I just wantes to make sure you was not indirectly offending me.
No its never my purpose to offend mate, nor would I with you. I rather like you and your a new member whos making a lot of effort. It could be the elite part of any faith those people are extremely well connected - so establishment. Its also nepotism on steroids at those levels. Seen it. So who you know. Which I think is terrible in 2025.
 
No its never my purpose to offend mate, nor would I with you. I rather like you and your a new member whos making a lot of effort.
Likewise bro! - The input from you guys is amazing and I've completely abandoned most platforms in favour of here.

You didn't offend me btw, mainly because I still don't know which group you were talking about lol. But lets leave the mystery! It's probably wisest and like you say, the conversation is around her stance and ability to reduce CBPM usage in the workplace.

in fact, I'll delete my comment because I do not want anybody to believe I automatically inferred a group based on a rather ambiguous comment.
 
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