Opinion: Petitions don’t work – here’s what we can do instead

The UK Government has once again rejected a petition calling for cannabis reform. It's time to face facts – these petitions do more harm than good. What can we do instead?

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[Lank72]

Absolutely bang on and covers why I didn't sign the petition this time.

Different action needed...

 

[Delta 9]

All that telling us how bad the petition is but at the end tell us to sign it but write to your mp

 

[node]

All that telling us how bad the petition is but at the end tell us to sign it but write to your mp

Hes definitely confused.
Democracy...nice idea. Yet to see it in evidence - anywhere.
Brexit would of always been Yes, because the worlds biggest and oldest money launderer, the city, wasn't going to be regulated by anyone, especially a new power EU, compared to their ancient millenia old power.
And if peeps think or thought they are giving them any decisions for their diry trillions, they need to wise up.

 

[GrownHealth]

There was actually a good positive discussion on X about this issue yesterday between MedBud and Team Leafie on ways forward now the response has been given

 

[Delta 9]

Having another tea party at parliament with mp paul flynn R.I.P. is prob never going to happen again and did so bcos he was using cannabis and dying so hopefully a few compassionate mps in his name would listen but to me from looking at usa it needs to be real lobbying on our behalf.

Say what you want about L.C.A. but they did have a street prescence with the science we have now that street prescence could be massive and did have a good face of it with howard marks.

Like or hate jodie and marc emery but they did FIGHT it canada to get where they are and was massive protests with articulate passionate people and alot of peeps behind them.

There was serious organisation both in canada and usa to get where they are. There is loads of orgs and cannabis companies in uk but not real big voice and prescence like usa and canada.

Big difference here with all the restrictions we have canada fought for their hash culture but ours is really gone sad to see really cos we could be importing some good canadian hash but we know that will not happen and that is a sign where we are. Carts 20g allowance changed to 10g but canda half that lol see how they were totally different but why and why did they have a change of mind , how did they come to that conclusion in first place and so different than canada.

 

[GrownHealth]

Having another tea party at parliament with mp paul flynn R.I.P. is prob never going to happen again and did so bcos he was using cannabis and dying so hopefully a few compassionate mps in his name would listen but to me from looking at usa it needs to be real lobbying on our behalf.

Say what you want about L.C.A. but they did have a street prescence with the science we have now that street prescence could be massive and did have a good face of it with howard marks.

Like or hate jodie and marc emery but they did FIGHT it canada to get where they are and was massive protests with articulate passionate people and alot of peeps behind them.

There was serious organisation both in canada and usa to get where they are. There is loads of orgs and cannabis companies in uk but not real big voice and prescence like usa and canada.

Big difference here with all the restrictions we have canada fought for their hash culture but ours is really gone sad to see really cos we could be importing some good canadian hash but we know that will not happen and that is a sign where we are. Carts 20g allowance changed to 10g but canda half that lol see how they were totally different but why and why did they have a change of mind , how did they come to that conclusion in first place and so different than canada.

You make great points on this mate time and again and some points you've made previously were in the discussion I noticed on how change was brought about elsewhere and why this petition was needed for the response .

 

[Delta 9]

You make great points on this mate time and again and some points you've made previously were in the discussion I noticed on how change was brought about elsewhere and why this petition was needed for the response .

I agree with alot being said in this leafie post with try every other avenue as well so dont want to come across negative towards the article just tongue in cheek lol with but sign it.

I`d say we are just at the mississippi 100 joints rolled for ye stage which was a long time ago yes they were doing the science as well.
We are a long way away they are years ahead of us.

This was all about the response for me as i knew the outcome and fair play to drew for getting it over the line big reach that can make a difference in our future petitions.

Future petitions forcing industrys hand in changing the standards patients need regards theraputic benefits of more terpenes , no seeds, no mold, products coming onto market when other markets dont want with short dates (terrible its allowed).

Challenging and supporting the science that cannabis smoke is not the same as tobacco smoke and some cannabis users lungs were better than non smokers lol I have superb lungs and great capacity for being a pure smoker for years, now vaping. Might not support hash consuming but can prove different from cigarette smoke and closer to vaping than smoking cigarettes in my view anyway.

Epilepsy got us here form billy caldwell to alfie dingley and across the pond charlotte figi and can remember patients had to get it imported with a letter, I would love to import it myself with a letter lol but that power is with the middlemen (importers) now.

 

[Lank72]

Yeah I did see that 'but sign it' it the end which really seemed bizarre

The point for me is that you need a multipronged approach to change anything, and that petitions can be damaging in a way as it's like social media where you can rant away and feel better but it can simply be ignored and then the rage which may have been harnessed is gone

I'll never shit on anyone signing it however, and seen some good points shared even today about how getting that response could be a strategic stepping stone

I guess we just need to be wary of thinking 'signed that petition now so job done my end'

 

[Delta 9]

Yeah I did see that 'but sign it' it the end which really seemed bizarre

The point for me is that you need a multipronged approach to change anything, and that petitions can be damaging in a way as it's like social media where you can rant away and feel better but it can simply be ignored and then the rage which may have been harnessed is gone

I'll never shit on anyone signing it however, and seen some good points shared even today about how getting that response could be a strategic stepping stone

I guess we just need to be wary of thinking 'signed that petition now so job done my end'

It reinforces what people were thinking and not just naiveity as alot signed out of duty but not expectation for me to see where we are as a if we can call it a movement.

I have always said tackle from every angle and to look at what others have done before but that response we got is a goldmine for anyone that knows how to pick it apart.

Lets just say uk sceince isn`t the best in the world and they try and belittle that they are really taking their time to do their own science uk stuff, they dont want to know about other countries research .

People see this as the end i see as the start but depends if others see it that way , I personally have not got energy to fight or maybe even to manage a home grow with my epilepsy and cluster headaches but its 1 of the only way that i can keep seizure free is to have theraputic cannabis that doesn`t go OOS or seeded moldy old brown yellow and financial ruin to keep alive but needs must so if we cant get to GYO then at least we can change wtf we are receiving at the moment.

 

[node]

On the MC front its clear that the only way we can get them to bring the prices down is talk to them in their lanuguage: money.
Whichever clinic/pharmacy brings costs down and makes expiring / discounted meds available we promote. We could use recyling / "green behaviour" as another metric. If we measure them more, document and publish these results loud and clear here, perhaps like a league table, then it could incentivise the companies to improve + reduce the cost.

 

[Delta 9]

On the MC front its clear that the only way we can get them to bring the prices down is talk to them in their lanuguage: money.
Whichever clinic/pharmacy brings costs down and makes expiring / discounted meds available we promote. We could use recyling / "green behaviour" as another metric. If we measure them more, document and publish these results loud and clear here, perhaps like a league table, then it could incentivise the companies to improve + reduce the cost.

I got where your coming from node but i think if it can be done a month boycott is better at forcing hand of big companies like that.

Are we really gonna wait for a decent price for expiring meds is that where our future lies , yes its cheaper for patient but just i think its a disgrace to be honest that we are getting cheaper meds cos going out of date.

Imagine that happening with any other medicine like pills there would be uproar and questioning in efficacy .

4 months max for weed on shelves n i will always say that but this meds coming from other countries to sell to uk cos nearly out of date and being sold double figures per g lol and people will run to hawaiin rain when it goes to 8.50 cos they think its a bargain . Absolute mugs we are for letting this go on.

Some good points on a league table lol that would be good

 

[node]

I got where your coming from node but i think if it can be done a month boycott is better at forcing hand of big companies like that.

Are we really gonna wait for a decent price for expiring meds is that where our future lies , yes its cheaper for patient but just i think its a disgrace to be honest that we are getting cheaper meds cos going out of date.

Imagine that happening with any other medicine like pills there would be uproar and questioning in efficacy .

4 months max for weed on shelves n i will always say that but this meds coming from other countries to sell to uk cos nearly out of date and being sold double figures per g lol and people will run to hawaiin rain when it goes to 8.50 cos they think its a bargain . Absolute mugs we are for letting this go on.

Some good points on a league table lol that would be good

I try to keep it in scope tho, bc there is no way anyone is stopping for a month, not me nor anyone I know who uses bm or MC.
I also currently don't have the option for BM, like many, due to housing - in my case terrible neighbours.

 

[GrownHealth]

I try to keep it in scope tho, bc there is no way anyone is stopping for a month, not me nor anyone I know who uses bm or MC.
I also currently don't have the option for BM, like many, due to housing - in my case terrible neighbours.

Saying that I'd quite happily go to BM for a month or two but also realise for others its more difficult or even a non starter and if these distributers who discount products address the reason why they are not selling in sufficient volumes meaning they need to be discounted half the battle will be won I reckon as effective products at a fair price and fresher is what is needed .

 

[node]

Saying that I'd quite happily go to BM for a month or two but also realise for others its more difficult or even a non starter and if these distributers who discount products address the reason why they are not selling in sufficient volumes meaning they need to be discounted half the battle will be won I reckon as effective products at a fair price and fresher is what is needed .

Its not all bad news is it tho? 5k+ patients / month added (approaching volume), the quality is finally here, even at RRP £55 sometimes. But as the market increases in theory their should be much less "sometimes" and more like mostly which is something that has to happen.
Until then lets make them more accountable, as when they all reach volume, they have to compete. I'm hopeful this year. In my case if its not happening by September then i'll have to risk Hybrid MC/BM.
My guess is this is why tho low clinic fees appeal - for peeps who have to mix it up between BM and MC, because of the costs.

 

[Delta 9]

The way it could be done is picking a month and saving bud by for that month to see ye through. Thats real people power and organisation hitting the money men where it hurts or just forcing hand to say come on better fresher product and stop with this near expiring stuff as the only way to get more of a bargain than medicine.

I know as med patients its very hard to be done and difficult for alot to do but ye got to admit its the most effective.

Personally i cant be assed with bm as i would just go CBD route, still looking appealing sometimes.

There is product on here that is medicinal and ok so i`m am not writing off all but the heart n soul and theraputic use has diminished in it alot.

There is people in here very content with it very content and thats ok but i have seen how theraputic cannabis can be and 1 is not using alot for effect MC you seem to use more well i do.

Everything is within scope if effort is there but i agree with you its a start and the league is a good idea.

 

[GrownHealth]

Saying that I'd quite happily go to BM for a month or two but also realise for others its more difficult or even a non starter and if these distributers who discount products address the reason why they are not selling in sufficient volumes meaning they need to be discounted half the battle will be won I reckon as effective products at a fair price and fresher is what is needed .

Actually a good example of this is All Nations where products where discounted and fresh batches came in at a more accessible price so hopefully it is being addressed and maybe Aurora® products could do the same for the same reasons .

 

[node]

Honestly us members here - lets alert each other + our wider MC community (seems to be a fair few here, lurking) to cheap meds.

For those outside Cannabis Clinic Cardiff - If your able to do the partial script method - you'd have much more chance at the discounted meds - and not all are expiring. Remember CB1 Medical currently has free postage so theirs no extra costs. Postage at Montu is £9. Doable with many discounted meds.

It pains me to think of meds as a consumer item, but thats how the business bods deal with it (and this is a disguised consumer market) ...and the only way to really hurt them - publish poor reviews + performance. Promote the rest.