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Flower Curaleaf® GG4 T28 Gorilla Glue #4
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Link gives no chart thats when u kmow its fake terpenes
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You are saying that Curaleaf adds synthetic terpenes to their cannabis flower?
Why would they do that when the science is very much still out on what the effects of terpenes are in medical cannabis in the first place? The effects are so subtle, you could probably get rid of the terpenes almost entirely and apart from a weaker smell/taste, many users might struggle to notice.
Maybe I could see the logic of them adding synthetic THC, because that very much is the primary active pharmaceutical compound beyond any shadow of a doubt. But why go to the bother of adding terpenes?
I don't think you can accuse them, on the one hand, of having excessively dry flower and too many stalks, etc, and generally not giving a flying monkey's about quality control, but at the same time they're covertly trying to increase their bag appeal with synthetic terpenes?
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Its wether you buy into entourage effect or what terpenes
I massivley disagree on that budguy terpenes do potentiate THC a hell of alot isolates and distilates without terpenes are what i say 1 dimensional, Full spectrum will always be better cos of terpenes
Onset with the potentiating effects of certain terpenes can make a strain be sedation (Indica) effect or stimulating (Sativa) like heroin v cocaine or chamomile v coffee lol that type of opposite due to terpenes, the duration of effect is more to do with terpenes than THC so certain terpenes with lower THC will have a longer duration than some higher THC with certain terpenes.
Heres some terpenes that directly act on the CB1 Medical receptor, terpenes more interesting than cannabinoids but there is a massive synergy there coming from the same resin head.
https://cannakeys.com/spotlights/terpenes-that-activate-cb1/
I massivley disagree on that budguy terpenes do potentiate THC a hell of alot isolates and distilates without terpenes are what i say 1 dimensional, Full spectrum will always be better cos of terpenes
Onset with the potentiating effects of certain terpenes can make a strain be sedation (Indica) effect or stimulating (Sativa) like heroin v cocaine or chamomile v coffee lol that type of opposite due to terpenes, the duration of effect is more to do with terpenes than THC so certain terpenes with lower THC will have a longer duration than some higher THC with certain terpenes.
Heres some terpenes that directly act on the CB1 Medical receptor, terpenes more interesting than cannabinoids but there is a massive synergy there coming from the same resin head.
https://cannakeys.com/spotlights/terpenes-that-activate-cb1/
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So sounds like tilray really have got the gg4 then , didn`t want to buy any cos not seen any reviews to say its the proper 1 , I might try it if tilray are still in business lol cos they are tanking at the moment.
Must be good for you to be so passionate about it to say the least lol
Is there any fuel in the taste with tilray?
Chill out with personal insults , have some debate but uneducated twat n div n dunce lol chill man
Must be good for you to be so passionate about it to say the least lol
Is there any fuel in the taste with tilray?
Chill out with personal insults , have some debate but uneducated twat n div n dunce lol chill man
Apologies to those in this thread I was out and didn't see this till this morning and will deal with this as it's not acceptable amongst us 
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Yeah, but that's more of an anecdotal discussion at the moment. I personally don't know what I buy into or not at this point, I'm relatively inexperienced with medical cannabis and my BM cannabis from before MC probably couldn't be trusted to make any sensible judgments, so I'm quite far away from having any nuanced opinions on terpenes - but at least I can say that the effects of terpenes must be a lot more subtle than the effects of THC - otherwise that level of experience to know for sure what you're feeling from the terpenes wouldn't be necessary. The effects of THC are pretty apparent from one's first hit, but many years or decades on from my first hit, I'm still not all that sure about terpenes. Actual terpene science itself is very much in its infancy - as is THC science for that matter, but terpene science moreso.
So what I'm saying is, from the perspective of the pharmacies, it would be much easier for them to lean on the relative novelty and lack of double blind trials on the effects of terpenes and entourage effects and such and just say "for the moment, terpenes isn't the medicine, THC is, so don't come complaining to us about terpenes", than it is for them to add synthetic terpenes, surely?
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I dont need science to tell me how i feel but it helps. I dont know about subtle i would more say some is rocket ship onset others very sedating onset.
Of course cannabis is understudied but to overlook the potentiating effects of terpenes is crazy and there is potentiatiing effects on THC and CBD.
They share the same affinity for CB1 Medical and come from the same gland and THC is known as a diterpinoid n the difference is basically THC is an oxygentated version of a terpene think both of them in gland would be called diterpenes.
Having epilepsy i was always interested in the neuromodulation effects with terpenes passing the blood brain barrier very interested in Pinene and Linalool for epilepsy but i do think being very interested in terpenes for over 20 years and find out what terpenes do to you personally , what works n what doesn`t now if THC has the ability on its own to be both sedative and stimultaing then i really think there is alot more going on than THC n thats obvious that 1 molecule can be polar opposites in effect yes the answer is terpenes.
I am a follower of dr ethan russo and agree with the term of entourage effect and hes not stupid. He reiterated what i always knew that this lemon smell makes me feel very happy up , this hoppy spicy smell makes me feel sleepy , this turpentine smell makes me feel edgy. This thiol ester skunky Myrcene hoppy smell makes me feel up then down. Yes there more to do with cannabis than just terpinoids or should i say cannabinoids alot more thiols esters aldehydes carotenenes ketones all that stuff n personnally i loved thiol/ester type skink cannabis that you dont see much anymore so have to make do with strain profiles not that a strain profile means anything to you other than THC %.
This is the crazy reason that you dont see minor cannabinoids in the test cos its all about THC lol while the rest of the world is full spectrum and look at what they add back in and why would they add terpenes back in and market live rosin full spectrum etc includint the uk med market. I guess a strain profile smell taste is not important well a few here will disagree so the profile is unimportant compared to THC % give me a terpy 15% THC over a non terpy 32% THC strain all day long.
I have seen strains oxidise within a week and lose its potency and all to do with evaporating terpenes and not so much THC to cbn degradation. I could go on and on.
Have you ever tried cannabis derived terpenes on its own lol yes they do have an effect more than subtle!
They say that iff med bud uk dont have the chart off terpines then its fake . Fake meaning not the terpine cannaboids in the original strain . How true hey ...lol
YEah i keep forgetting that its all youths here .
As for tilray gg4 im smoking it right now bro or soz vaping lol .....
Yes i see comments ohhh it cant be that great as its only 18thc
.... Remember stardhawg, cheese ??? Skunk super skunk ????
Only 22 THC but would walk on these cali 30plus THC
Why ??? Cuz the terpines . If you look at chart of tilray 18 gg4 youll see all 3 terpz iz major . Major is the chart only has 3 all filled with mycrene ofc , caryl, and Limonene x
PLz download it bro and put it on here so people now plz thx
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Yeah, but the pharmacies can only go by the science, not by how patients feel. The evidence for THC is stronger and more abundant than terpene science, and a lot less complicated, therefore it's totally reasonable that when a pharmacy sells you medical cannabis, their main priority is to sell you THC of a given % in the form of vaporisable flower.
For example, if it was discovered that the effects of paracetamol can be modified in 100 different ways by the presence in varying concentrations of 100s of different proteins, do you expect that pharmaceutical companies will all run out and spend millions on studies to determine the effect of every combination of all of these 100s of proteins, etc? No, I don't expect that they would. Instead they would say "we sell paracetamol. It's reliable, it's simple, it's cheap, it works, and it's well studied, like it or lump it". Those effects would be real, potentially some combos could be life-changing for some individuals. But the sheer complexity of it makes it almost impossible to actually nail that down in any scientifically rigorous way.
I'm not saying terpenes don't matter, don't have an effect, etc. I'm simply saying that science is both complicated, expensive, and very, very, immature, so to expect a pharmaceutical company to produce drugs based on how their patients "feel" instead of waiting for that science to become mature and then acting from that point is just not how that industry works or should work.
So that's why I doubt any pharmacies are going to go to the bother of adding synthetic terpenes to their products. It's just so much less hassle to say "terpenes? What are those? We'll respond to complaints about terpenes once the science shows its a vital part of the medicine we punt".
The combinatorics alone makes terpene science so complex that we are many, many, many years away from terpene science being much more than a highly individualised set of anecdotes.
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I get what angle you are coming from and the pharmaceutical companies want and is going down the route of cannabinoid medicines only and as i said thats why you dont see minor cannabinoids like important ones thcv it would be nice to know if any % is available because of its appetite suppresive effects so just by that alone is a good indicator for certain patinets to stay away so its sad to see that, CBG might have adverse effects with some people but only CBD and THC is looked at even though cannabis science as a whole is will state is all about THC there is no effects from thcv or does that exist lol why you bothering about that before lol, the science hasn`t caught up with those cannabinoids yet lol but the rest of the world has.
This is unlicensed medicine and the last thing they want to promote going forward is the benefits of terpenes with cannabinoids or meroterpenoids and they like to say things like synergy rather than entourage affinity , modulator but there is science there and cant be disregarded as they know Caryophyllene is both a terpene and a cannabinoid so for them to say that terpenes dont matter considering that beta Caryophyllene is abundant in cannabis is ignorant to certain people whos conditions interat with cb2r especially diabetics.
This is the main reason that alot of cannabis flower is bad quality and overlooked as they only look at THC levels and we as patients should be fighting against that and advocating for better quality of flower and not to overlook the terpene content also but terpenes are really a bad word with the industry where to a patient is up or down or eating or not and sleeping or not ask them what makes an an Indica an Indica and Sativa a Sativa is it effects from THC % or other molecules lol cos if THC then Indica Sativa wouldnt matter as a 17% THC would be just that. Wow eh!!
The science is there and cited just like the THC science that they like to ignore and have done for years but their science will put it into a pill and NHS it like marinol lol keep it.
My point wasn`t about synthetic terpenes that fake was talking about fake gg4 profile on paper was the point.
We may be years and years away of the ratios of what monoterpenes to meroterpenoids we should have for certain conditions but thats nightmare stuff so i will push for grow our own and leave us alone. You know the science but we know know the profiles inside out and have done for decades.
I get what your saying but if we have to fight to say test and label minor cannabinoids other than CBD as thats a start and sad that it has to be pushed for like a half unliscenced finished job we know what CBG thcv cbc etc does but i will say TERPENES should not be ignored or not talked about cos muted profiles are what making medical cannabis lets just say a little if not alot less theraputic than it should or can be.
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