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Extracts Phant IC T55 Resinous Organic Extract (Hash)

I posted this on Reddit, but I know that many have a pathological hatred of that platform so I will repeat it here (minus the evidently controversial opening comment), sorry it is so long and hope it helps:

Not sure how long this will get, so here is the TLDR:

  • Which is which?: TC is the crumble, loose 'kief', IC is the ball of sticky hash
  • Which is better?: Depends - If you own a good ball vape, like to set fire to your medicines or are only interested in maximum flavour / effects then you probably want the IC (hash). If you will only be using a DHV (venty / volcano etc) or care more about useability and ease of dosing then you probably want the TC crumble.
  • Are the terpenes added?: I honestly do not know - but I would be very surprised if they are. If anything they are slightly more muted than I would have expected, but smell how I would expect given the source strains. Smell is piney with a bit of spiciness and a 'hashy' background.
  • Is it £40/g quality?: No, it is very overpriced for what it is
  • Does that mean it is 'rubbish'?: No, this is decent hash - just VERY expensive
  • I only have a DHV, will this work?: Yes, with caveats
  • Is it effective as medicine?: Hell yes.

Firstly there has been a lot of confusion (including it seems the manufacturer) as to which is which, so:

TC is the crumble which resembles loose kief

IC is the hash and comes as a small sticky ball

Upon opening the smell from both is actually slightly more muted than I would have expected. The TC smells slightly stronger on initial opening, but both have the same piney / spicey / hashy smell which I quite like. Honestly it smells exactly how I would have expected it to, just a little more muted, so if the terpenes have been added it has been done well.

When opening the TC an amount (probably about 0.1g) was 'stuck' to the glue seal. I do not think this happened when the lid was heat sealed down as the kief was not actually bonded to the glue and I think it was just something that happened in transit. It was very easy to remove this from the lid as it was not actually bonded to the glue - but be careful when opening the TC or you could loose some of it......

The IC came as a small ball of sticky hash that was stuck to the bottom / side of the jar. Removing the hash from the jar will leave small amounts stuck to the glass - you will need handling / scraper tools for this.

I have found the best method of vaping to be mixing with flower so most of my usage has been like this.

For dosing the TC I have found the best method to be to grind an appropriate amount of flower then add in the correct amount of crumble and mix it together in the bottom of the grinder (no kief catcher). For me when making dosing caps for the venty / volcano this would be 0.3g of flower and 0.25g kief for 4 caps which produces a nice loose pack, and yes that does mean each cap contains £2.50 of crumble......

This works best with slightly sticky flower, if the flower is a bit drier then the sandwich method may be better.

For the IC the best method is to scrape off small pieces of the hash and then roll / squash them into mini worms and put these in a sandwich between layers of flower. It is essential to get the pieces of hash as small as possible if using a DHV, there is a bit more leeway when using a ball vape.

When vaped the IC does seem to have more flavour and maybe has slightly stronger effects when vaped effectively (small pieces & ball vape). However the TC is easier to get a complete extraction from, especially in a DHV and therefore you may find this 'stronger' in your setup.

On my volcano I use my own XL bags which allow me to do a 1 hit extraction from a dosing cap at 210C with flower.

When using a dosing cap with flower and TC mixed together there is thick vapour in the bag after the first extraction, trying a second produces a small amount of faint vapour.

Doing the equivalent test with the IC in small pieces yields less vapour on the first extraction and a reasonable amount on the second.

With the mixed flower / TC dosing caps I find there is no need to stir them and I can do a very nearly compete extraction in one go, however with the IC on the volcano it is necessary to stir / break up any lumps that have formed in order to perform a second extraction.

As for effects: as a chronic pain patient who seems to be forever having to prepare / vape flower and never quite getting the relief I need this is a god send. Total relief lasting for at least 2 hours....

This is a heavy hitter and mixed with a nice sleepy strain of flower it is a case of goodnight vienna. It can be used in the day time in moderation mixed with a good buzzy strain (congo creek haze was interesting), however this will leave you functional only in that you are not asleep!

So in my opinion this is decent hash, more in the old school style rather than the more modern ultra pure variants and if your experience of hash stopped in the late 80s / early 90s this is going to blow your mind.

As a medicine I find it fantastic and if you are in a similar situation and cannot / do not want to press your own rosin then I think you will find it great as well, As for value that is a different question.

Obviously this is the first extract available on UK medical and Cantourage / Phant will have invested the time and money to get this through the regulatory minefield so they will naturally want to capitalise as much as possible while they have the monopoly. Hopefully there is now a pathway to market and we will not have to wait too long for competition to do it's thing and bring down the price / drive up the quality.

Is it worth it? If you are in a similar situation to me and need the extra strength from the hash and can afford it then yes. If you just wanted to try it to see what the fuss is about then probably not.

So for me I will have a pot of TC on my repeat until there are other options, I will just have to use it sparingly....

I am glad it is now available, but it needs to be cheaper.

EDIT: Should add that the crumble is slightly sticky and does tend to clump together, but breaks apart easily when prodded with the small metal stirrer that came with my ball vape.

The IC hash is very soft and sticky, not the easiest to handle if you are not familiar with it and at some point you are going to end up with sticky hashy smelling fingers, this is not easy to remove - you have been warned.
 
If these hashes were half the price than they are now it would still be double the price than i would pay.
Its good bubble hash n crumble but 4 g for £80 is crazy never mind £160 , £80 q max.

Please sir can i have some more , Naw f**k off away n smoke yer soapbar peasant! 😂
 
REPOST from Consuming today thread in answer to Dooby

Using Phant IC in an Arizer Solo 3 v2 Xl.

But would apply to any Arizer Solo using XL stems. The regular sized are not deep enough to do this well.

Works fine for me with the IC, I think it's simply a matter of temp and prep. I now have a Solo 3 V2, using a ball stem identical to yours and a longer one ( also works well in an xl wpa), all XL. I think your temp is too low, meaning it melts but does not evaporate and boil off before it runs where it shouldn't as you say.

Usual sandwich with a rimless cup screen at the bottom. I use tiny rolled pieces, I make a short thin snake then break it into tiny pieces, not too much! More green than IC. All very lightly pressed down, at least 2mm from top.

Preheat the Solo for at least 3 minutes after firing up and leave it standing with the top cover moved over so there is an air gap of about 25%. Temp I start at 195c. Slide the stem in whilst all is upside down, after that do not move the Solo and stem from the horizontal, very important.

The green vapes first, in maybe one or two pulls, I pause the heat and have a breath for a minute. Fire up again and increase the heat slowly or fast to 210- 220c whatever you are comfortable with. Let it heat for a few minutes keeping horizontal, slow long tokes.

Does it for me with no extra mess. The flower soaks up the melt. Shout if you need more help mate!

PS slept like a lorry load of logs! The Solo works well with the TC Kief, no need to keep horizontal as it is not melt or part melt concentrate.
 
After a bit more time with both the TC and IC, I am veering more to the advice that the IC should really only be used in ball vapes or equivalent.
It (IC hash) can be used in a DHV, but unless you spend a lot of time obsessively preparing the dose for use with a DHV then you will get better results from the TC, and for a lot less effort.
With a ball vape the IC hash is much easier (still need to prep dose carefully though), turn up the heat and hold on tight,,,,,,,

One other thing I have noticed with this though: I have not suffered from a 'weed hangover' since I started medical, however indulging in this before bed can definitely leave that 'fuzzy' feeling in the morning..
 
Mumu said:
After a bit more time with both the TC and IC, I am veering more to the advice that the IC should really only be used in ball vapes or equivalent.
It (IC hash) can be used in a DHV, but unless you spend a lot of time obsessively preparing the dose for use with a DHV then you will get better results from the TC, and for a lot less effort.
With a ball vape the IC hash is much easier (still need to prep dose carefully though), turn up the heat and hold on tight,,,,,,,

One other thing I have noticed with this though: I have not suffered from a 'weed hangover' since I started medical, however indulging in this before bed can definitely leave that 'fuzzy' feeling in the morning..
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Thanks for your post. I use a WOHW also, but TC will also work in a Solo, but I don't advise use in a Tempest it's too melty. Works in cheap TEDS also as the parts are easily cleaned or cheaply replaceable, I have tested and posted 8)

I agree there's no need to be obsessive about dosing, MC dosing is a fad that has no basis in science, the plant varies in % of everything from flos to flos part bud to part bud.

With regard to costs, please remember that many people struggle to pay for meds, so needing to get more kit for concentrates is a pita, finding ways to consume with what you have around you has been part of the culture for many hundreds of years 8)
 
Mumu said:
After a bit more time with both the TC and IC, I am veering more to the advice that the IC should really only be used in ball vapes or equivalent.
It (IC hash) can be used in a DHV, but unless you spend a lot of time obsessively preparing the dose for use with a DHV then you will get better results from the TC, and for a lot less effort.
With a ball vape the IC hash is much easier (still need to prep dose carefully though), turn up the heat and hold on tight,,,,,,,

One other thing I have noticed with this though: I have not suffered from a 'weed hangover' since I started medical, however indulging in this before bed can definitely leave that 'fuzzy' feeling in the morning..
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If i was to combust hash i hover a lighter over it in a spoon pipe, try to get it going on heat without much contact and ball vape is pretty close to that, Frenchy in a few videos used a herb iron i think its called, device like a soldering iron with a ceramic tip but used that with a similar hovering method
 
kermitthehermit said:
If i was to combust hash i hoover a lighter over it in a spoon pipe, try to get it going on heat without much contact and ball vape is pretty close to that, Frenchy in a few videos used a herb iron i think its called, device like a soldering iron with a ceramic tip but used that with a similar hoovering method
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Was available in UK haven't seen it for a while, tube, heating element ceramic tip touch heat suck - the Lookah Seahorse! Parts only available now iirc.

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I raise you a chillum, I used in Maroc for a long time, local hash or kief and rough tobacco, sometimes used hyssop but other herbs were way too strong and terpy there owing to the heat making them very oily, the thought makes my eyes water and cough these days.

But I still like pipes, recently got a new Gandalf with built in stand, will use with cheap TED heads a torch and hash. Also from recvaps is a Hash pipe that uses a heat stick of quartz, torch it and thrust into the specially designed bowl, melt or solid, works well, very fast, heat to vape or combust.

Another alternative for any hash except full melt is ofc Terpcicle, many sizes, low cost. All glass I used to use for hash, if melty wrap in hemp fibre, as much heat as you want with a good torch and vape away. Just dug mine out to try with the Phants.
 
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OldBloke said:
I raise you a chillum, I used in Maroc for a long time, local hash or kief and rough tobacco, sometimes used hyssop but other herbs were way too strong and terpy there owing to the heat making them very oily, the thought makes my eyes water and cough these days.

But I still like pipes, recently got a new Gandalf with built in stand, will use with cheap TED heads a torch and hash. Also from recvaps is a Hash pipe that uses a heat stick of quartz, torch it and thrust into the specially designed bowl, melt or solid, works well, very fast, heat to vape or combust.
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Yeah I've seen the quartz bowl pipe with the stick, they seem the part. There's the really expensive one's too, i seen quite a few different types, moreso over the last month or so, they must know we have extracts 😅. I'm going for a rig, I'll put a few pics up today on the Vapouriser and attachments that are ideal for any Hash extracts 👍 I had a good look around until near 1am this morning. There's lots of cheaper devices but you get what you pay for, as long as they start at 225°c it should be good, the Combustion temp is 300°c and most don't go over this temp, i think 309°c tops, there a few that go over these temps.
 

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