Flower Why am i not getting the effects?

[Marty71]

Hi There ,
I am hopeful that someone on here can offer me some advice please.
As a 54yr year old who has been smoking street green and resin for over 30 years I thought id go medical.
Currently I'm on 29% THC flower but getting hardly any effect.
I consume about 5 j's a day and put plenty in but not helping
Tried a vaporiser but still the same.

I've heard that maybe I should get some with more CBD and that THC strength doesn't equal potency.
If that is the case could you recommend some flower that will hit the spot?
Apologies but I am new to this array of flower variety's and presumed the higher the THC the greater the hit.

Its getting expensive just buying random strains to se if they work.

Many Thanks

 

[williemed]

Hi Marty did you get the desired effects from street cannabis? What strain have you been prescribed currently? Do you mean no effects at all, or not the desired effects?

 

[NuggetofGreen]

Hi There ,
I am hopeful that someone on here can offer me some advice please.
As a 54yr year old who has been smoking street green and resin for over 30 years I thought id go medical.
Currently I'm on 29% THC flower but getting hardly any effect.
I consume about 5 j's a day and put plenty in but not helping
Tried a vaporiser but still the same.

I've heard that maybe I should get some with more CBD and that THC strength doesn't equal potency.
If that is the case could you recommend some flower that will hit the spot?
Apologies but I am new to this array of flower variety's and presumed the higher the THC the greater the hit.

Its getting expensive just buying random strains to se if they work.

Many Thanks

Hi Marty and welcome to the forum. My background is similar to yours. I'm the same age with a similar history of BM. I have found that the higher THC strains do not medicate the needs I have at the moment. They are working well for my partner who is treating pain and fatigue but not for me as I'm looking for calming, anxiety relief. I'm 3 months in to my MC journey now and have found a steady routine that works for me but all my daily strains are under 28% THC.
I start with a THC/CBD balanced flower in the morning. I'm a cheap skate so I'm using mango cheese but lots of people swear by the apricot cream cheese.
Mimosa orange punch T18 and Banjo T24 are my afternoon strains.
I've struggled finding evening strains as the higher THCs wake me up and overstimulate me but wedding cake has been excellent T27 and I'm currently liking pineapple god and have both batches.
Night time I add an oil. At first I used a T25 oil but it just woke me up. I have better results with a T25:C25 oil and sleep really well.
I'm sure lots of people can give you more suggestions. I'm definitely finding terpene profile is more important to me than THC content.

 

[Marty71]

Hi Marty and welcome to the forum. My background is similar to yours. I'm the same age with a similar history of BM. I have found that the higher THC strains do not medicate the needs I have at the moment. They are working well for my partner who is treating pain and fatigue but not for me as I'm looking for calming, anxiety relief. I'm 3 months in to my MC journey now and have found a steady routine that works for me but all my daily strains are under 28% THC.
I start with a THC/CBD balanced flower in the morning. I'm a cheap skate so I'm using mango cheese but lots of people swear by the apricot cream cheese.
Mimosa orange punch T18 and Banjo T24 are my afternoon strains.
I've struggled finding evening strains as the higher THCs wake me up and overstimulate me but wedding cake has been excellent T27 and I'm currently liking pineapple god and have both batches.
Night time I add an oil. At first I used a T25 oil but it just woke me up. I have better results with a T25:C25 oil and sleep really well.
I'm sure lots of people can give you more suggestions. I'm definitely finding terpene profile is more important to me than THC content.

Hi Marty did you get the desired effects from street cannabis? What strain have you been prescribed currently? Do you mean no effects at all, or not the desired effects?

Thank you for getting back to me.
I did get better effects from street flower but it was random as it was a case of take what I've go tor not.
Currently have 27% THC <1%CBD Wedding cake , 28% LA Kush Cake and 29% Tropical Reign.
I thought these strains would knock me sideways but I only get a mild sedation.

 

[Weedbie]

I've never found a strain to literally wipe me out

But using the ball vape at my mates other week knocked me sideways

 

[Marty71]

I've never found a strain to literally wipe me out

But using the ball vape at my mates other week knocked me sideways

Thank for replying

 

[williemed]

Thank you for getting back to me.
I did get better effects from street flower but it was random as it was a case of take what I've go tor not.
Currently have 27% THC <1%CBD Wedding cake , 28% LA Kush Cake and 29% Tropical Reign.
I thought these strains would knock me sideways but I only get a mild sedation.

Ok so cannabis worked well for you in the past, but the 3 strains you have tried so far on medical have not so much? What effects are you looking for, or symptoms you are looking for help with? Being wiped out or knocked sideways are fairly ambiguous terms. And have you any idea at all on strains, or even flavours or effects of the street cannabis you found to work well previously? Cannabis is a complicated thing with hundreds of different cannabinoids and terpenes which can all alter the mental and psychical effects from lively, wired and focussed, to sleepy, numb, and everywhere in between, so it can take some trial and error to find cultivars that really work for you. I should imagine of all the black market cannabis you tried over the years, similar observations could be made, and that efficacy was variable? Only here with medical, in theory when we find something that works, we can semi consistently buy it. If you can describe the effects you would like, symptoms you are treating, flavours you have recognised to by synonymous with efficacy, strain names, or indeed any other clues at all, we may be able to help point you in a direction. For what it's worth, I have tried probably 30-40 or so strains by this point on medical and have found a small handful to really work for me. This is similar to my experience with cannabis in a wider setting, pre medical too. It's not that medical cannabis is different to regular cannabis, they are the same thing, it just takes some trial and error, and annoyingly on medical the trials must be done in 10g increments which can get very expensive and wasteful.

 

[Marty71]

Ok so cannabis worked well for you in the past, but the 3 strains you have tried so far on medical have not so much? What effects are you looking for, or symptoms you are looking for help with? Being wiped out or knocked sideways are fairly ambiguous terms. And have you any idea at all on strains, or even flavours or effects of the street cannabis you found to work well previously? Cannabis is a complicated thing with hundreds of different cannabinoids and terpenes which can all alter the mental and psychical effects from lively, wired and focussed, to sleepy, numb, and everywhere in between, so it can take some trial and error to find cultivars that really work for you. I should imagine of all the black market cannabis you tried over the years, similar observations could be made, and that efficacy was variable? Only here with medical, in theory when we find something that works, we can semi consistently buy it. If you can describe the effects you would like, symptoms you are treating, flavours you have recognised to by synonymous with efficacy, strain names, or indeed any other clues at all, we may be able to help point you in a direction. For what it's worth, I have tried probably 30-40 or so strains by this point on medical and have found a small handful to really work for me. This is similar to my experience with cannabis in a wider setting, pre medical too. It's not that medical cannabis is different to regular cannabis, they are the same thing, it just takes some trial and error, and annoyingly on medical the trials must be done in 10g increments which can get very expensive and wasteful.

Hi Willemed , I am looking for a strain to relax me ,help me sleep ,relive anxiety and generally gives me the high feeling I'm looking for, not a day time energetic or lively strain.
Mostly my street man gave me haze in the past but even that only provided a mild sedation.
Something with a big hit would be ideal
It sounds like trial and error is the way forward I just hate spending my money on strains that I think will work but don't.
I really appreciate your knowledge and help with my issue.

 

[williemed]

Hi Willemed , I am looking for a strain to relax me ,help me sleep ,relive anxiety and generally gives me the high feeling I'm looking for, not a day time energetic or lively strain.
Mostly my street man gave me haze in the past but even that only provided a mild sedation.
Something with a big hit would be ideal
It sounds like trial and error is the way forward I just hate spending my money on strains that I think will work but don't.
I really appreciate your knowledge and help with my issue.

Ok so there is some stuff here that might be worth clearing up before proceeding to prevent future confusion or wasting money.

Haze is typically thought of as very much a daytime, energetic, racy, for many even anxiety inducing flower. Can you remember how it tasted? To be honest there is every chance what your street man was selling you was in fact not haze, and from the sounds of what you are looking for, aside from 'high', I don't think you would actually like haze strains at all. But then we are all different, and this is where trail and error comes in. Luckily though, at least with medical, the trials are really valid as the cultivar really is what they sell it to you as.

For me 'high' is synonymous with energy, and Sativa type effects, but I think you are looking for something heavy, Indica, that will relax and help you sleep? Yoda Cap and Pave are both generally thought of as excellent this regard. Again though even well regarded flowers that effect most people one way, can have a different effect on yourself. For example most people seem to think Sourdough is sedative and relaxing, but for me it stops me from sleeping entirely. Conversely, I have a friend that whatever they smoke, they get Sativa effects, and start bouncing off the walls. As I say we are all different but the more information you can give the more it may narrow it down. And apologies if I am waffling, I am quite medicated

 

[eeze95]

Ive been getting a haze from some local afghans. They must grow it as they always have the same strain. It works so much better than anything ive had on medical its not even funny. The high feels "fuller" or has more depth to it. A 0.3 joint can last me half a day but with the medical weed I honestly go through a 10g pot in a few days because the effects are just not there.

Im starting to think that we lose all the goodness of the plant in the importation, packaging and the miles the flower is doing before it gets to us. Its like supermarket fruit and veg. It looks like the real thing. But none of it tastes anything like the original if youve grown your own or lived in a country where everything is grown locally and fresh.

 

[Delta 9]

You have downregulated your CB1 Medical receptors to a narrow neural pathway now you need to upregulate , fahh out they call it if you inhibit that enzyme in the gut you will get past the ceiling that you are hitting, i got way higher when i was taking 600mg ibubrufen with THC than not n that led me to find out why and ibubrufen was upregulating cb1 receptors through inhibiting faah enzyme just as CBD does.

The power from CBD and ibubrufen is down to increasing anandamide its just that simple. Ecs and endocannabinoids overlooked in favour of THC but thats what does the work.

People think you wont get high/stoned if add a little CBD in regime but they are far wrong , even just try ibubrufen lol.

Terpenes will neuromodulate and alter high with high THC strains i dont think theres enough monoterps up there to modulate high some is just like straight THC 1 dimensional distillate type high , gd base terpenes but i think theres a trade off.

 

[eeze95]

You have downregulated your CB1 Medical receptors to a narrow neural pathway now you need to upregulate , fahh out they call it if you inhibit that enzyme in the gut you will get past the ceiling that you are hitting, i got way higher when i was taking 600mg ibubrufen with THC than not n that led me to find out why and ibubrufen was upregulating cb1 receptors through inhibiting faah enzyme just as CBD does.

The power from CBD and ibubrufen is down to increasing anandamide its just that simple. Ecs and endocannabinoids overlooked in favour of THC but thats what does the work.

People think you wont get high/stoned if add a little CBD in regime but they are far wrong , even just try ibubrufen lol.

Terpenes will neuromodulate and alter high with high THC strains i dont think theres enough monoterps up there to modulate high some is just like straight THC 1 dimensional distillate type high , gd base terpenes but i think theres a trade off.

Thats really interesting with the ibuprofen CBD link! Would you get a balanced strain or CBD flower and mix it in? Been looking at blue dream balanced heavily recently. But then I think I could get the normal blue dream from grassroots and just mix some CBD flower into the joints.

 

[Delta 9]

Thats really interesting with the ibuprofen CBD link! Would you get a balanced strain or CBD flower and mix it in? Been looking at blue dream balanced heavily recently. But then I think I could get the normal blue dream from grassroots and just mix some CBD flower into the joints.

They say ibobrufen faah inhibitor is weak but personally i felt a difference , maybe more synergy with canna n terpenes but for me i noticed it enough to look into , Ave went through a few CBD balanced strains they are ok but i found mixing more theraputic that straight CBD strain , if using to try and get a higher ceiling effect then jst a little each time with THC is enough, Everyone different but i am finding better effects flower n balanced pastilles that CBD flower , If i was you id go normal blue dream n little CBD flower .

 

[eeze95]

You have downregulated your CB1 Medical receptors to a narrow neural pathway now you need to upregulate , fahh out they call it if you inhibit that enzyme in the gut you will get past the ceiling that you are hitting, i got way higher when i was taking 600mg ibubrufen with THC than not n that led me to find out why and ibubrufen was upregulating cb1 receptors through inhibiting faah enzyme just as CBD does.

The power from CBD and ibubrufen is down to increasing anandamide its just that simple. Ecs and endocannabinoids overlooked in favour of THC but thats what does the work.

People think you wont get high/stoned if add a little CBD in regime but they are far wrong , even just try ibubrufen lol.

Terpenes will neuromodulate and alter high with high THC strains i dont think theres enough monoterps up there to modulate high some is just like straight THC 1 dimensional distillate type high , gd base terpenes but i think theres a trade off.

Just been reading some articles about this. So they thought it was just the CBD counteracting the negative effects of the THC. But now they are saying that the CBD actually increases the "high" and effects of THC so that users are not having to ingest as much THC and thus are getting less side effects from too much THC. Which is exactly what you said. The CBD is giving a "fuller" effect.

 

[Delta 9]

Just been reading some articles about this. So they thought it was just the CBD counteracting the negative effects of the THC. But now they are saying that the CBD actually increases the "high" and effects of THC so that users are not having to ingest as much THC and thus are getting less side effects from too much THC. Which is exactly what you said. The CBD is giving a "fuller" effect.

CBD is a negative allosteric modulator which reduces THC effects at CB1 Medical but orally it can stop the breakdown of THC by using same liver enzymes THC uses which can increase concentrations in the blood . Alot of patients i see chase THC numbers and prob never even tried CBD lol but the science and experience says a little goes a long way

Even seen patients say that clinics was saying to take a tolerance break which for ppl needing meds its crazy advice think a week they were saying , , CBD i think would increase endos alot faster than tolerance., i used to do 5 days to replenish endos n upregulate it works but dangerous , science and experience says different.

 

[utopiate]

Of course you always need to consider simple tolerance and your context. Your experience of a strain is not solely down to the strain but your context also. Mood you are in, people you are with or the place you are in. This is why you got baked around your friends. Having a range of strains helps but likewise changing your context also.

This of course is in addition to the usual 'strain hunting' we all engage with lol. Simple eh? lol

 

[Melek]

Hi Willemed , I am looking for a strain to relax me ,help me sleep ,relive anxiety and generally gives me the high feeling I'm looking for, not a day time energetic or lively strain.
Mostly my street man gave me haze in the past but even that only provided a mild sedation.
Something with a big hit would be ideal
It sounds like trial and error is the way forward I just hate spending my money on strains that I think will work but don't.
I really appreciate your knowledge and help with my issue.

Iv bought think 6 lots on sale this month for half price that I wouldn’t afford at full price as the more expensive ones but only been here few weeks but starting to realise most come round some point reduced and il try them that way as have to keep changing them to keep them working but iv even had some decent stuff for £3/4 that would of been 9/10 so maybe try looking for some offers and grabbing them it’s made me feel lot less bad about buying so much and also guys on here really helpful x

 

[belekas]

Ive been getting a haze from some local afghans. They must grow it as they always have the same strain. It works so much better than anything ive had on medical its not even funny. The high feels "fuller" or has more depth to it. A 0.3 joint can last me half a day but with the medical weed I honestly go through a 10g pot in a few days because the effects are just not there.

Im starting to think that we lose all the goodness of the plant in the importation, packaging and the miles the flower is doing before it gets to us. Its like supermarket fruit and veg. It looks like the real thing. But none of it tastes anything like the original if youve grown your own or lived in a country where everything is grown locally and fresh.

Yeah absolutely agree and been same experience with mostly all medical since a year and some ago. Ofc I haven't tried the most expensive strains but some so can't speak for all but tried enough high THC ones to see that they do absolutely nothing when a good, properly done bud will medicate me for 1/3 day easy but so hard to find. Some cheaper MC also does tend to work some but its fucking OOS right after just finding it and so on. Those pots/packs, transit timew, storage times, etc, etc kill the most volatiles terpenes imo and they it comes dead yet we pay premium. Also no point for them to grow super strong bud because the use will go down so they grow crap, charge 3x and offer to us patients when in reality most of this so calles UKMC bud had to be in the only place and that being the bin.

 

[GreenRed]

Also no point for them to grow super strong bud because the use will go down so they grow crap, charge 3x and offer to us patients when in reality most of this so calles UKMC bud had to be in the only place and that being the bin.

That's just pure BS, sorry. You seem angry. Read some "truths" on twitter recently that agitated you?

 

[belekas]

That's just pure BS, sorry. You seem angry. Read some "truths" on twitter recently that agitated you?

You're delusional to even think something like that lol I dont read Twitter not care about other opinions mate but good day to you too