Pharmacies Looking for advice about quality standards for grow companies supplying the distribution pharmacies

[Adi]

Hi All, I'm working on my first prescription and have spent days trawling through this website and reddit etc and I keep noticing warnings from people about some of the grow companies fairly regularly providing poor product. The information is so spread about on forums, sub forums etc and it's somewhat mind frazzling trying to get a clear picture of what to definitely stay clear of and who maintains more consistent acceptable or excellent standards. I was wondering if some of the dear brothers and sisters who have been patients for multiple months or years could share any sort of decision making process that they use when ordering, such as seeing a strain grown by a certain grower and immediately discarding it as a possibility, even if they like the strain, because of higher % likelyhood that the quality would be a let down. And of course the opposite way round.

Also wondering if you agree with what appears a general consensus (only from my viewing of forums etc) that given the choice, beta radiation is preferable above gamma irradiated flower? Is there anyone from lengthy experience who discards all gamma irradiated flower as a choice?

I'm wondering, with the stock levels - when something reads "ordered in" is there a sort of general time-frame when it usually turns up by (within a week or 2), or is it all over the place time wise (could be a month or months)? It's unfortunate how many strains are on "ordered in". I'm just looking at IPS at the moment as I expect to be with Medicann and not sure if I can order from anyone else with them.

Many thanks

 

[JR52]

The first thing I do is check where it is from and make sure it is Canadian as they are the best growers on uk medical.
Then I would check the irradiation as gamma is not worth wasting your money on as it has no flavour or taste.
Non irradiated is the best but the beta irradiation is good as well.
I would watch as many videos and reviews as you can or you could always ask on here for recommendations.
The different batches of flower come and go so you can't have the same strains all the time.
I am with Mamedica® mate so I can't really advise about medical but I am sure somebody will know on here

 

[Scriptoh]

The first thing I do is check where it is from and make sure it is Canadian as they are the best growers on uk medical.
Then I would check the irradiation as gamma is not worth wasting your money on as it has no flavour or taste.
Non irradiated is the best but the beta irradiation is good as well.
I would watch as many videos and reviews as you can or you could always ask on here for recommendations.
The different batches of flower come and go so you can't have the same strains all the time.
I am with Mamedica® mate so I can't really advise about medical but I am sure somebody will know on here

the non irradiation thing doesn't particularly mean the strain is going to be good, BC green applies & gas for example is pretty muted in both smell/taste and its non-irradiated aswell as a good few others, it seems to depend on something else... I originally thought this way as well until I made my strain database and sorted everything, would say about 60% of the non-irradiated strains are in the upper bracket of what we have available atm, there are only 2 gamma irradiated strains in the top 50 ranked atm most are beta's & non's so I do believe the gamma is way more harmful for whatever reason to the bud quality

There is also a list of ranked growers/cultivators here's my current top 10;

PAPERS

SUPERSEED

CRAFT BOTANICS

WELLFORD LUMA

Aurora®

AAAA

COOKIES

CANOPY

VASCO

ALL NATIONS

In other words avoid most gamma's unless you know what your getting, I can also say that the top 50 is full of Canadian grown with very few exceptions....

 

[JR52]

Non irradiated does not mean it is going to be good it just means it has not had radiation fired at it and has the highest chance of a decent taste but they can still all be crap like a lot of them are

 

[GrownHealth]

A couple of brands that a lot of us here have found quality and decent value that haven't been mentioned are 4C Labs who have a range of products to suit all budgets stating from £5.50/g to £9/g for their premium products but many of us find satisfaction with the lower and mid priced products they offer and all their products are E-Beam Irradiated which is a light form of Beta irradiation.

Also Green Karat who have a few products that have been cherished and still are by members here like Pave S1 & Cool Grapes too name a couple and their products tend to be around £8-£9/g which I find is too expensive but they do also have a new budget range at £7 Kasa Verde and I have currently have one of their products here (Gazzurple) and have been surprised for £7/g as it seems decent quality and non irradiated

More new products around £5-£7/g beta and non irradiated are appearing all the time and proving to be decent quality effective meds within a budget also.

Regards IPS ordered in I'd expect will mean a couple of days delay not much more.
Not hearing of anyone being successful ordering from anywhere but IPS as of yet as a Medicann patient unfortunately.

 

[Scriptoh]

Ok its only fair I show a bit more of the ratings list now to prove I didn't forget the above brands/producers my top 20 out of 61 brands/producers; (ratings are based on averages between all strains available for that brand/producer gathered from YouTube patient reviews and converted myself into figures)

1	PAPERS	9.5
2	SUPERSEED	9.3
3	CRAFT BOTANICS	9.1
4	WELLFORD LUMA	9.1
5	Aurora®	8.8
6	AAAA	8.7
7	COOKIES	8.7
8	CANOPY	8.5
9	VASCO	8.5
10	ALL NATIONS	8.3
11	Green Karat	8.3
12	Lumir®	8.2
13	Peace Naturals®	8.1
14	LIT	8.1
15	LOT420	8
16	MEDCAN	8
17	OSTARA	8
18	4C Labs	8
19	BIG NARSTIE	7.9
20	SUMO Craft	7.9

Best MC I've had so far is from AAAA (Apricot cream & cheese) & Papers (Yoda cap) haven't yet tried any other highly rated strains so please don't take these ratings too seriously until you've tried them yourself

 

[Scriptoh]

A couple of brands that a lot of us here have found quality and decent value that haven't been mentioned are 4C Labs who have a range of products to suit all budgets stating from £5.50/g to £9/g for their premium products but many of us find satisfaction with the lower and mid priced products they offer and all their products are E-Beam Irradiated which is a light form of Beta irradiation.

Also Green Karat who have a few products that have been cherished and still are by members here like Pave S1 & Cool Grapes too name a couple and their products tend to be around £8-£9/g which I find is too expensive but they do also have a new budget range at £7 Kasa Verde and I have currently have one of their products here (Gazzurple) and have been surprised for £7/g as it seems decent quality and non irradiated

More new products around £5-£7/g beta and non irradiated are appearing all the time and proving to be decent quality effective meds within a budget also.

Regards IPS ordered in I'd expect will mean a couple of days delay not much more.
Not hearing of anyone being successful ordering from anywhere but IPS as of yet as a Medicann patient unfortunately.

Some of the nicest stuff I've had part from the AAAA & Papers is actually the 4C Labs, defo a very good range (way more than anyone else by far 20+ strains available from them alone) and overall very decent product, there is a few to watch out for but for the majority they are really consistant, I've got some Craft botanics pave landing on tuesday that'll be my first time having something from them quite excited for that one to be honest

 

[GrownHealth]

Ok its only fair I show a bit more of the ratings list now, my top 20 out of 61 brands/producers;

1	PAPERS	9.5
2	SUPERSEED	9.3
3	CRAFT BOTANICS	9.1
4	WELLFORD LUMA	9.1
5	Aurora®	8.8
6	AAAA	8.7
7	COOKIES	8.7
8	CANOPY	8.5
9	VASCO	8.5
10	ALL NATIONS	8.3
11	Green Karat	8.3
12	Lumir®	8.2
13	Peace Naturals®	8.1
14	LIT	8.1
15	LOT420	8
16	MEDCAN	8
17	OSTARA	8
18	4C Labs	8
19	BIG NARSTIE	7.9
20	SUMO Craft	7.9

Your gonna call me miserable but I truely believe anything costing over £8.50/g on medical gets a two point deduction in my mind on value/affordability

Papers Cookies and Vasco have only had one product each and not many rated Cookies highly as you would of seen especially value/freshness wise and is why it went too expiry and the Vasco looked nice but was never that popular (grape gasoline)also.

Wellford Luma seriously can't be the 4th highest rated producer/products in UKMC no one bothered with there stuff as of yet really.

Papers Yoda Cap there only product so far sounds exceptional by all accounts but still damn expensive but exceptional .

 

[Scriptoh]

Your gonna call me miserable but I truely believe anything costing over £8.50/g on medical gets a two point deduction in my mind on value/affordability

Papers Cookies and Vasco have only had one product each and not many rated Cookies highly as you would of seen especially value/freshness wise and is why it went too expiry and the Vasco looked nice but was never that popular (grape gasoline)also.

Wellford Luma seriously can't be the 4th highest rated producer/products in UKMC

Papers Yoda Cap there only product so far sounds exceptional by all accounts but still damn expensive but exceptional .

Ok we got a fight on our hands I'll need to explain myself a bit here it seems

 

[Scriptoh]

Your gonna call me miserable but I truely believe anything costing over £8.50/g on medical gets a two point deduction in my mind on value/affordability

Papers Cookies and Vasco have only had one product each and not many rated Cookies highly as you would of seen especially value/freshness wise and is why it went too expiry and the Vasco looked nice but was never that popular (grape gasoline)also.

Wellford Luma seriously can't be the 4th highest rated producer/products in UKMC no one bothered with there stuff as of yet really.

Papers Yoda Cap there only product so far sounds exceptional by all accounts but still damn expensive but exceptional .

Yes i totally agree that Papers, Superseed, Vasco and wellford luma may all be controversial for top 5 places atm but if you understand the ratings and how I came to them it'll make more sense... I do agree it may be early days to call any of them the top 5 but I can only rate them according to the reviews I've seen + my own personal opinion of each strain as I get to try them, Papers has 1 strain as we know, Superseed has 1 (Azztecs top medical atm gelato cheesecake he rated 10/10) Vasco 1 (grape gas)... Wellford 3 (all 3 of which are averaging 9/10 mac3 queen sangria & black pineapple)... Cookies 1 (hawain rain averaging 8.7) hope this kinda explains where the hell I got these ratings from lol... But yeah I didn't really feel totally comfortable with some of the top 5 having so few strains to get an average of... Personally I wish 4C Labs average was way higher so I could put them right up there but the average between all 25+ strains in the 4C Labs range is working out at 8/10

If I had to push the boat out I'd say AAAA & Craft Botanics are actually top 2 if you want an established brand that has an actual range

 

[Scriptoh]

Your gonna call me miserable but I truely believe anything costing over £8.50/g on medical gets a two point deduction in my mind on value/affordability

Papers Cookies and Vasco have only had one product each and not many rated Cookies highly as you would of seen especially value/freshness wise and is why it went too expiry and the Vasco looked nice but was never that popular (grape gasoline)also.

Wellford Luma seriously can't be the 4th highest rated producer/products in UKMC no one bothered with there stuff as of yet really.

Papers Yoda Cap there only product so far sounds exceptional by all accounts but still damn expensive but exceptional .

One thing I never take into account is the price, everything is only rated for smell/taste/bud quality... I see price as a personal thing aswell as effects so I avoid rating them whereas taste/smell and quality is something that I think will translate to most people

 

[GrownHealth]

Yes i totally agree that Papers, Superseed, Vasco and wellford luma may all be controversial for top 5 places atm but if you understand the ratings and how I came to them it'll make more sense... I do agree it may be early days to call any of them the top 5 but I can only rate them according to the reviews I've seen + my own personal opinion of each strain as I get to try them, Papers has 1 strain as we know, Superseed has what 2? Vasco 1... Wellford 3 (all 3 of which are averaging 9/10)... hope this kinda explains where the hell I got these ratings from lol... But yeah I didn't really feel totally comfortable with some of the top 5 having so few strains to get an average of... Personally I wish 4C Labs average way way higher so I could put them right up there but the average between all 25+ strains in the 4C Labs range is working out at 8/10

I can see your building it and it'll take time it just stands out early on I suppose and value and effects are paramount to me as a patient and this doesn't reflect that
Taking my medical glasses off and looking as a weed lover it's totally different perspective but I have to think in 12scripts/year terms and at them prices it would cost me circa 8 grand
Price is mega important to the medical community I feel and would massively improve the accuracy/usefulness of the table to patients I reckon

 

[Scriptoh]

I can see your building it and it'll take time it just stands out early on I suppose and value and effects are paramount to me as a patient and this doesn't reflect that
Taking my medical glasses off and looking as a weed lover it's totally different perspective but I have to think in 12scripts/year terms and at them prices it would cost me circa 8 grand
Price is mega important to the medical community I feel and would massively improve the accuracy/usefulness of the table to patients I reckon

Price is very important but whats cheap to me or you might be expensive to someone else and so on so that's why I tend to avoid it as it can be a bit of a grey area aswell as rating effects as my tolerance is sky high with my usage so feel its unfair to judge effects based on that, I do expect the ratings to change dramatically at some point when certain brands start releasing more than 1 flower to rate, I also may have missed a few I'm at 206 strains atm so almost there but I'm exhausted with it if im honest so having a short break from doing ratings/database stuff for a bit + no more sharing (unless you personally want a copy for yourself so we can argue everyday lol) I would actually like someone like yourself (with plenty MC experience) to scour through it and give me the brutal honesty im needing... Feel it needs some verification/critique from someone with a lot more knowledge of MC than I currently do to finalize it... know your a busy man though so if anyone wants to step up to the job feel free to contact me

 

[Scriptoh]

I can see your building it and it'll take time it just stands out early on I suppose and value and effects are paramount to me as a patient and this doesn't reflect that
Taking my medical glasses off and looking as a weed lover it's totally different perspective but I have to think in 12scripts/year terms and at them prices it would cost me circa 8 grand
Price is mega important to the medical community I feel and would massively improve the accuracy/usefulness of the table to patients I reckon

Ok I'm gonna think about adding value for money etc to the table/database based on what your saying Need to work out how I'm gonna do it but where there's a will there's a way

 

[GrownHealth]

Price is very important but whats cheap to me or you might be expensive to someone else and so on so that's why I tend to avoid it as it can be a bit of a grey area aswell as rating effects as my tolerance is sky high with my usage so feel its unfair to judge effects based on that, I do expect the ratings to change dramatically at some point when certain brands start releasing more than 1 flower to rate, I also may have missed a few I'm at 206 strains atm so almost there but I'm exhausted with it if im honest so having a short break from doing ratings/database stuff for a bit + no more sharing its causing issues everywhere* I take it (unless you personally want a copy for yourself so we can argue everyday lol) I would actually like someone like yourself (with plenty MC experience) to scour through it and give me the brutal honesty im needing to be honest... Feel it needs some verification from someone with a lot more knowledge of MC than I currently do to finalize it... know your a busy man though so if anyone wants to step up to the job feel free to contact me

I actually don't want to put you off mate as I can see your hearts is in it just accuracy is pretty important with the money peeps spend

 

[Scriptoh]

I actually don't want to put you off mate as I can see your hearts is in it just accuracy is pretty important with the money peeps spend

Your not putting me off at all, I need people to look at it and tell me how to improve it etc its a good thing

 

[GrownHealth]

Ok I'm gonna think about adding value for money etc to the table/database based on what your saying

Be a big improvement because we can love a product and still think its a tad too dear

 

[Scriptoh]

Know not everyone is gonna care or ever use the thing but for me its been a great guide that's kept me with a selection I've always been happy with (bar 1 strain blk cookies that was newly released/unrated to me at that point so had no idea if it was good or bad until I received it) and the way I see it I'll be more than happy to look back in a couple years time and see where my little journey began and probably have a good laugh at my database and all my mental comments...

 

[Adi]

That's all super helpful everyone, thanks. Helps support the info I've accumulated from research across the net. I'm avoiding Qwest currently, Grow, Tyson 2.0, probably Curo.....looking for Craft Bot, 4Labs, PeaceNat. Aurora®, AAAA, and open to a some others.

I've lived 5 years in Canada just before legalisation, it was a funny time because pharmacies of all sizes were everywhere and the government were fine about it....it was like walking into a sweetie shop as a kid with huge amounts of super high quality products which you could look at, examine, have chats about with staff etc. I had a friend with a small chain of MC pharmacy stores there, it was an astonishing time, freely open like Holland (lived there for 2 years) but magnified 100 fold. Anyhow, what i definitely know is that Canadians can grow bud to super high levels of quality, often surpassing the Dutch in my opinion.

Anyone reading this thread, please do leave your opinions according to on-going experience. Particularly about poor quality bud - this video speaks volumes -



hence my adding Qwest to the no list, but it's not first negative I've seen about Qwest. Obviously if the community here and shares with Reddit etc start getting a clear picture of growers who more regularly than not provide unacceptable product, then sales for those companies should drop off heavily and the market should respond by losing those growers or the growers transform their quality control. I think the key thing is to have some sort of single thread of information that everyone knows to go to for this purpose. I've found it mindboggling having to spend days going through all the forums, videos etc and I'm fine about that but thinking of new patients, it's clearly going to make a large number of peoples lives less stressful if we've got this all on a single thread.

 

[Scriptoh]

That's all super helpful everyone, thanks. Helps support the info I've accumulated from research across the net. I'm avoiding Qwest currently, Grow, Tyson 2.0, probably Curo.....looking for Craft Bot, 4Labs, PeaceNat. Aurora®, AAAA, and open to a some others.

I've lived 5 years in Canada just before legalisation, it was a funny time because pharmacies of all sizes were everywhere and the government were fine about it....it was like walking into a sweetie shop as a kid with huge amounts of super high quality products which you could look at, examine, have chats about with staff etc. I had a friend with a small chain of MC pharmacy stores there, it was an astonishing time, freely open like Holland (lived there for 2 years) but magnified 100 fold. Anyhow, what i definitely know is that Canadians can grow bud to super high levels of quality, often surpassing the Dutch in my opinion.

Anyone reading this thread, please do leave your opinions according to on-going experience. Particularly about poor quality bud - this video speaks volumes -



hence my adding Qwest to the no list, but it's not first negative I've seen about Qwest. Obviously if the community here and shares with Reddit etc start getting a clear picture of growers who more regularly than not provide unacceptable product, then sales for those companies should drop off heavily and the market should respond by losing those growers or the growers transform their quality control. I think the key thing is to have some sort of single thread of information that everyone knows to go to for this purpose. I've found it mindboggling having to spend days going through all the forums, videos etc and I'm fine about that but thinking of new patients, it's clearly going to make a large number of peoples lives less stressful if we've got this all on a single thread.

Your post started a war lol, pls don't take my views as gospel I'm still pretty new to MC myself (only a few months atm) I'm just sharing my thoughts/experiences and hopefully it helps point you in the right direction